Cain was doing those things running in pro races running for Nike. Were there things KT could have done to run faster at the expense of her future in the sport? Sure. She didn't.
Also the whole 3000 split argument regarding Cain's two mile time is silly. It never flew. And Cain ran that time on the BU track in a superfast pro race. Even dealing with injuries, if KT had focused solely on that record, stopped running her normal high school races and relays, including running states the week before and the DMR anchor earlier that same meet, she would have had a great shot at it, albeit at the Armory. It does not matter much now.
Nice that Cain took on the world's best. Maybe if someone was trying to safeguard her future instead of trying to get a short term laurel, she would still be a pro athlete and not a cautionary tale.
She had only one injury and has come back from it successfully. As for the so called extra weight, Tuohy is very fit and very fast. The only time she carries any extra weight is when she is standing at the top of the podium, holding the huge 1st place trophy. Which is where she has spent the past year in case you hadn’t noticed.
She had only one injury and has come back from it successfully. As for the so called extra weight, Tuohy is very fit and very fast. The only time she carries any extra weight is when she is standing at the top of the podium, holding the huge 1st place trophy. Which is where she has spent the past year in case you hadn’t noticed.
But these two athletes made very different choices and because of this Cain unfortunately had to quit the sport years ago. Tuohy just continues to rise and has a bright future ahead. I always liked Cain too but she seems to come off as a bit of a whiner with a lot of excuses. Tuohy has had setbacks too but she doesn’t make excuses, just gets it done.
I don't think this take is fair to Cain who was a true teen phenom in days pre NIL. Had she gone to NCAA and not NOP I think she would still be around, but no way to know. It's unfortunate what happened to her.
agree-though Touhy's times were great in high school, but not close to Cain who ran a 9:38 indoor 2 mile as a HS junior--sad what could have been...
What? The post says that she was injured in HS and people have claimed that she was injured early in college and still hasn't hit her best due to it. Glad to hear that she has been healthy all the way through college. Cook sure did a lot better than Tuohy freshman year especially with Tuohy being 100% while Cook was battling injuries. I guess a 90% Cook is better than a 100% Tuohy. Wow.
Cain was better than Tuohy and they are in the same generation.
Not true. Tuohy took down many of Cain’s records, like the mile, 3Ki and 2 mile records. Additionally, she was unbeaten in her last years in XC and broke numerous course records. At the end of their HS careers Tuohy’s was unmatched by Cain nor any recent HS talent. Cain was superior in 1K and lower distances. In Tuohy’s Last XC race, this time against 100+ pro’s at Lehigh, I personally witnessed her come in 2nd in a race where Cain came in 33rd. Tuohy flat out was the superior distance runner. This is verifiable and we should stop distorting the truth.
Again you are the one distorting the truth. Cain was much, much faster than Tuohy as a high schooler. Cain 1:59 v Touhy 2:09, Cain 4:04 v Touhy 4:14, Cain 4:24 v Touhy 4:33, Cain 8:58 v Touhy 9:01, even at 5k it's close Touhy 15:37 v Cain 15:45 w/ both only running once in HS career. In xc Touhy has 3 x nxn, but Cain was no slouch finishing 2nd to Sarah Baxter in 2012 nxn as a Jr and skipping Sr yr.
On the national/international scene, there's no comparison. Cain won 2 US titles and made a world championship against adult women! Touhy as a collegian so far was 10th in 5k. Cain won gold at world Jr 3000 against the africans! and placed 6th in 1500m. Touhy never tried out for a US Jr team.
There's a tendency to belittle Cain here at LRC, but Touhy, as good as she is, may never win a US title or make a world/Olympic final. Cain did that in high school!
In the Lehigh club xc race you like to mention, kt was a senior just one week after nxn #3 and Cain was beginning a comeback from injury/abuse, so not much of a race. Although there are a few 'pros' at club xc, the real pro xc race is the usatf xc held every January.
It's nice that you support kt, but please don't make stuff up. The run up to 2024 will be interesting, but we have a way to go to catch Mary Cain.
I don't think this take is fair to Cain who was a true teen phenom in days pre NIL. Had she gone to NCAA and not NOP I think she would still be around, but no way to know. It's unfortunate what happened to her.
agree-though Touhy's times were great in high school, but not close to Cain who ran a 9:38 indoor 2 mile as a HS junior--sad what could have been...
I think Tuohy was more fit than the 9:47 and 9:51 she ran but she did not run the times to show it. Not having real competition in those races did not help. The 9:01 against competition certainly indicates she could have been faster at 3200/2 miles. Maybe not 9:38 but a lot closer. Cain's range was 800-2 miles while Tuohy's was and probably is 1500 to 5000 (at least).
Pretty accurate. But 1500 and 3000 are in that range and Cain was way ahead of Tuohy in the 1500, so much that she was near world class while Tuohy's 5000 wasn't even NCAA top 10 class.
Pretty accurate. But 1500 and 3000 are in that range and Cain was way ahead of Tuohy in the 1500, so much that she was near world class while Tuohy's 5000 wasn't even NCAA top 10 class.
What I keep wondering about is why are people arguing about who was better in hs (even some Cook fans!) when we are told time and time again being slower in hs with big improvement in college is the better path toward being pro. (I am not saying I agree but that is what many Tuohy detractors post over and over again.)
agree-though Touhy's times were great in high school, but not close to Cain who ran a 9:38 indoor 2 mile as a HS junior--sad what could have been...
I think Tuohy was more fit than the 9:47 and 9:51 she ran but she did not run the times to show it. Not having real competition in those races did not help. The 9:01 against competition certainly indicates she could have been faster at 3200/2 miles. Maybe not 9:38 but a lot closer. Cain's range was 800-2 miles while Tuohy's was and probably is 1500 to 5000 (at least).
I agree w/ you on 3200/2 mile for Tuohy, it also of course didn't help that the normal distance in NY is 3000m, so kt didn't run many 3200/2 miles. Some humor on Cain's range.
Everyone and I mean everyone, believes the Cain range stopped at 1 mile, 2 miles etc. I'm willing to stretch it to 5k, how? Touhy is currently 3rd on all time hs 5k list behind Cook and Hutchins, so who is 4th? Lol, it's Mary Cain! Ok, you say, but Touhy has those 3 nxn champs. Well Cain was 2nd at 2012 nxn in her Jr year! skipping her Sr year. 2nd at nxn, that's Chmiel, Starliper, Ewert, Covert, Cranny territory and we don't even consider Cain an xc runner. I humbly submit that w/ 2 data points, all time 5k 4th, and nxn xc 2nd we extend the Cain range to 5k.
mentally and emotionally, katelyn tuohy was ahead of pro athlete mary cain who spent half of her career blaming people of her downfall instead of getting better
mentally and emotionally, katelyn tuohy was ahead of pro athlete mary cain who spent half of her career blaming people of her downfall instead of getting better
Cain wasn't blaming anyone when she stepped to the line in the world championship final in Moscow, or kicked the last 300 to win 3000m gold v Kenya and Ethiopia in Eugene.
katelyn tuohy ran THREE 4:24 mile in a span of like a month.. and 4:24 converts to 4:04 1500m which is mary cain's PR - katelyn is in 4:02 form or faster
katelyn tuohy is just 10 seconds away of the 8:25 3k national record while mary cain's 3k is 9:07
also lets not act like katelyn tuohy is not in sub 15 form lmao
Cain wasn't blaming anyone when she stepped to the line in the world championship final in Moscow, or kicked the last 300 to win 3000m gold v Kenya and Ethiopia in Eugene.
just checked the results page of that 1500m us championship race and lol she raced slow people... the top american 1500m runners wasnt even in the race
also what gold are you talking about beating kenya/??? you mean the JUNIORS ??coz thats the only WIN she has
mentally and emotionally, katelyn tuohy was ahead of pro athlete mary cain who spent half of her career blaming people of her downfall instead of getting better
Cain wasn't blaming anyone when she stepped to the line in the world championship final in Moscow, or kicked the last 300 to win 3000m gold v Kenya and Ethiopia in Eugene.
Not quite true. although she won the 3000m, she was avoiding the 800m (Wambui, DSD who was 3rd in 2016) as 1.59.5 runner from a year earlier, and 1500m (Tsegay and Saeyum) - Ephraimson and Cranny ran the 1500 for the US in 2014.
Never really understood why Alberto took her away from the 800/1500m. She was a finalist (9th) in the 2013 World Snr 1500m. Perhaps that was Nike wanting a gold medal in Eugene (site of the meet). I would have kept her running 800's until she no longer improved, along with the 1500m. I saw no reason for her to even run a 5000m (15.45) at that point in her career. Maybe that is why her career stalled. Having said that, Gabriela Stafford was also in that 3000 (9.14 to Cain's 8.58) placing 9th. With perhaps better (certainly different) coaching, she has gone on to run 1.58.7 and 3.56.
Everyone and I mean everyone, believes the Cain range stopped at 1 mile, 2 miles etc. I'm willing to stretch it to 5k, how?
Laura Muir, Elle Purrier have fast 5k PRs but are still really 1500m runners/ milers. In the same vein, I would guess Cain would have developed a fast 5k too, but I don't think it would have been her top event.
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