original liar soorer wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Dear me. Is there a psychiatrist in the house?
You will find that the first stage of treatment is for you to fully embrace that you have unpleasant racial leaning.
The patient mistakes himself for a clinician. Clearly mad.
rojo wrote:
Renewed Marathoner wrote:
Rojo I don't disagree with everything you said.
But let's be real. If this was Galen rupp you'd feel differently.
If it was Rupp, your damn right I would feel differently - and for good reasons. I'd have a lot less reasons to doubt there was a chance a mistake was made. Remember, there have been allegations against Salazar since before this website was founded. There were Nike documents showing Rupp to be on testosterone medication in HS. Salazar has admitted he took testosterone during his own career, was known to travel with testosterone when he was coaching , and also known to give the masseuse the night off.
Lowest Common Dominator wrote:
We’re just having a conversation, Rojo. Just like runners do when they are with their buddies on a Sunday morning.
Seriously, if Salazar was spotted roaming the parking lot next to the track where Rupp was training or just casually encountering Hasay at a Beaverton Starbucks five days a week and having a 45 minute conversation about running, you would be working furiously to confirm and break the story. You would even black page it with a huge headline to celebrate that you caught him.
What are you talking about? A guy hired a PI to investigate Rupp/Salazar to see if they were still workign together. He wanted us to make a big deal that Rupp would use a house that Salazar owned to train with. We didn't make a big deal of it. We told him he we didn't think it was a big deal. We did exactly the opposite of what you said we'd do.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2021/07/someone-hired-a-private-investigator-to-see-if-alberto-salazar-was-still-coaching-galen-rupp-here-is-what-they-found/svoinwe wrote:
you know part of why I got into this site back in 2002 was because it was the only place where it seemed like drugs were being taken seriously, and y'all were speaking serious truth to power.
You did it with R*g*na J*c*bs and you even did it with Lance when everyone was licking out of the palm of his hand. Even with allegations, you've always taken a measured approach. You allow it because it's important to keep the sport clean, for athletes to know that fans and clean athletes have two eyes in their heads.
But then Shelby gets popped and all of a sudden that's out the door.
Sanctimonious???? Seriously? She's a drug cheat. There is zero evidence to prove otherwise, and all the evidence to prove she's guilty. Now she's lying to everyone and trying to grift money. It's gross!
I used to like Shelby too. I used to root for her too. But it's so painfully clear she cheated, that she ingested the nandrolone on purpose, that it was probably a part of another supplement and she was probably doing it for years.
She's lying to everyone. Still. She won't come clean. Still. BTC made a circus of the Olympic trials blah blah blahing on national tv and the press conferences over the "injustice". What injustice? "If you look the factssss" they all whined. What facts are in her favor? None. They made the Olympic trials all about her. It was gross, privileged and entitled. The system did not fail her.
Shelby training with BTC is disrespecting the sport. BTC agreeing to train with her is also disrespecting the sport. Sorry that we are sanctimonious now that we don't want drug cheats hanging around. Guess that's the new standard here at lets run dot com
I'm glad you liked us as we were the only ones with our heads not in teh sand. I mean it was so obvious to me though that Regina and Lance were dopers. This - a little different. Im very well open to her being a doper, but I truly believe her teammates and coaches believe she is innocent.
I also don't understand the science enough. One of the studies involved in nailing shelby had 4 people in it, right? Really?
I've also been troubled by the fact that Jarrion Lawson/Ajee Wilson both recently got off after testing positive. Not that it was necessarily the wrong decision but that that taught me this whole thing is very scary. If Travis Tygart - the man who was obsessed with bringing lance and alberto down - says we have a problem with the rules/testing, then we have a problem with the rules/testing.
I'll admit i'm naturally a contrarian. Since Wilson and Lawson tested positive, do I think it's much more likely that they doped than the average person who never was in that situation? Yes. Does that mean they did it? Absolutely not. Same thing with Lagat.
But I like intellectual consistency. This may be totally different due to the substances. Again, I don't really know.
I think Weldon is currently trying to pay a Shelby skeptic like Russ Tucker to write an article on the whole matter. We want to know more about the science but would like it from someone like him who is a bit skeptical of it.
We also are hoping to have Jerry on the podcast.
Any time there’s a Shelby post the boards go crazy. You know why? It generally sucks to see an athlete get this much rope for doping. So people are driven crazy by that.
I don’t think this is different. I think she was caught. I wish she’d come clean. I hope Ross tucker does write something for you guys. Also curious about the gault interview. Any updates on that? Mentioned it on the pod in late November.
CarlyRaeJepsensMalort wrote:
rojo, of course she believes she is innocent. cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. in another life i was a teacher, and i would tell a kid to stop talking while i was teaching and be met with "i wasn't talking." and i really believe that they believed it, because to them they weren't doing anything wrong. i was the one who was wrong in their eyes.
i still subscribe to the sketchy supplement theory. basically gray-area doping that i believe most athletes partake in to a certain extent. shelby goofed up the timing and got caught, but because she was just doing what everyone else was doing, she believes in her innocence. throw in the BS tainted meat excuse that wilson got away with, and boom you have the burrito story. for the record, wilson is a doper too. that's the thing, you try to strawman us by bringing up wilson, but that ain't gonna work. dopers, all of them. lagat too.
Even after considering that athletes are 100% responsible for what goes in their bodies, the flaw with this theory" is that SHE IS NOT ARGUING THIS. If athletes decide to take untrustworthy "sketchy supplements," that are accepting that they are playing fire and have to live with consequences. Admitting that the nandrolone came from one of these would likely result in a shorter ban that would have her miss the trials. If she knew that's what happened and still went with the "burrito" story, then she's being willfully deceitful (lying) to the AIU and the fans, essentially engaging is a soft cover up. Assuming your theory is correct, she is making the choice to lie about it and is 100% deserving of a 4 year ban regardless, if not more.
Rumor is Nike is only still paying her so that she doesnt rat the rest of the team out for doping
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
CarlyRaeJepsensMalort wrote:
rojo, of course she believes she is innocent. cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. in another life i was a teacher, and i would tell a kid to stop talking while i was teaching and be met with "i wasn't talking." and i really believe that they believed it, because to them they weren't doing anything wrong. i was the one who was wrong in their eyes.
i still subscribe to the sketchy supplement theory. basically gray-area doping that i believe most athletes partake in to a certain extent. shelby goofed up the timing and got caught, but because she was just doing what everyone else was doing, she believes in her innocence. throw in the BS tainted meat excuse that wilson got away with, and boom you have the burrito story. for the record, wilson is a doper too. that's the thing, you try to strawman us by bringing up wilson, but that ain't gonna work. dopers, all of them. lagat too.
Even after considering that athletes are 100% responsible for what goes in their bodies, the flaw with this theory" is that SHE IS NOT ARGUING THIS. If athletes decide to take untrustworthy "sketchy supplements," that are accepting that they are playing fire and have to live with consequences. Admitting that the nandrolone came from one of these would likely result in a shorter ban that would have her miss the trials. If she knew that's what happened and still went with the "burrito" story, then she's being willfully deceitful (lying) to the AIU and the fans, essentially engaging is a soft cover up. Assuming your theory is correct, she is making the choice to lie about it and is 100% deserving of a 4 year ban regardless, if not more.
All this has an assumption that she has some assumption that she knows were it came from. How do we know this?
peterpan wrote:
Rumor is Nike is only still paying her so that she doesnt rat the rest of the team out for doping
That's not really a rumor that's going around. It's conjecture. But it fits, so....
original liar soorer wrote:
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
Even after considering that athletes are 100% responsible for what goes in their bodies, the flaw with this theory" is that SHE IS NOT ARGUING THIS. If athletes decide to take untrustworthy "sketchy supplements," that are accepting that they are playing fire and have to live with consequences. Admitting that the nandrolone came from one of these would likely result in a shorter ban that would have her miss the trials. If she knew that's what happened and still went with the "burrito" story, then she's being willfully deceitful (lying) to the AIU and the fans, essentially engaging is a soft cover up. Assuming your theory is correct, she is making the choice to lie about it and is 100% deserving of a 4 year ban regardless, if not more.
All this has an assumption that she has some assumption that she knows were it came from. How do we know this?
She says she knows where the nandrolone came from - a pork burrito. This is not assuming anything.
What are you talking about? A guy hired a PI to investigate Rupp/Salazar to see if they were still workign together. He wanted us to make a big deal that Rupp would use a house that Salazar owned to train with. We didn't make a big deal of it. We told him he we didn't think it was a big deal. We did exactly the opposite of what you said we'd do.
In the finest Internet tabloid tradition, you posted this story with a flaming clickbait headline on the main page when it broke and then put the details behind a paywall. Your provided link prompts me to join your VIP club to read more. Not a big deal but, spend $99 to find out how not a big deal this is!
I also recall that Let's Run also got a lot of negative comments from board users for running the article since it didn't amount to anything but also exposed family members, including minors, not directly linked to the whole NOP affair. You guys keep doing you to try and remain relevant. I'll just stick to legitimate running media from here on. They seem to have a clearer perspective on such matters.
It didn't seem like the brojos were actually very happy about that article either to be honest. I feel comfortable with them posting it, it is noteworthy in the running world.
BUT, some of the things the p.i. did were so sleazy and not okay. Pictures of Galen rupp's kids?? Wtf. Not cool at all. Unacceptable. Just to be clear I'm not putting any blame on the brojos, I am on the p.i. and for the story not shaming that activity. It's just not okay at all I don't care what Galen or Alberto are accused of.
Anyone else see the irony in athletes coached by Dathan Ritzenhein having a laugh while talking about someone being bad for the sport? Reminds me of Jenny Simpson dunking on Alberto after his ban in Doha when it turns out she saw Dr Brown too lol.
Like do Dathan's athletes not know that it's established fact that Dathan took thyroid meds from Doc Brown even when tests showed his thyroid levels were fine and healthy; doing so in his own words hoping to boost his testosterone levels? And that "Ritzenhein likely received [an L-Carnitine] infusion far in excess of 50mL" (that being the legal limit)?
100%, it's sketchy that Shelby is either stalking their training or being shadow coached by Jerry or some combination of the too. But really you'd think that athletes would learn to stop throwing stones in their glass houses. If the Coffee Club boys don't understand why anyone in BTC would go along with this, I'm sure they could ask Dathan for his psychological perspective of going along with what a strong willed coach wants because he doesn't want to rock the boat and be kicked out of a group...
Ok maybe the brojos shouldve spoken out against the part with the minors a bit more firmly (I might've missed this tbh)
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
original liar soorer wrote:
All this has an assumption that she has some assumption that she knows were it came from. How do we know this?
She says she knows where the nandrolone came from - a pork burrito. This is not assuming anything.
Wrong; she did not say that !
Read the decision before being silly.
original liar soorer wrote:
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
She says she knows where the nandrolone came from - a pork burrito. This is not assuming anything.
Wrong; she did not say that !
Read the decision before being silly.
On page 2 of the ruling -
"In brief, the Athlete maintained that the 19-NA entered her body by eating a burrito from a food truck containing pork offal and that the burrito was the only possible source of the 19-NA in the Sample."
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/disciplinary-process/en/7977-Award-Reasoned-FINAL.pdfKenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
original liar soorer wrote:
Wrong; she did not say that !
Read the decision before being silly.
On page 2 of the ruling -
"In brief, the Athlete maintained that the 19-NA entered her body by eating a burrito from a food truck containing pork offal and that the burrito was the only possible source of the 19-NA in the Sample."
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/disciplinary-process/en/7977-Award-Reasoned-FINAL.pdf
Thank you for pulling the talking point rug out from under that tool.
Gentleman Savage wrote:
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
On page 2 of the ruling -
"In brief, the Athlete maintained that the 19-NA entered her body by eating a burrito from a food truck containing pork offal and that the burrito was the only possible source of the 19-NA in the Sample."
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/downloads/pdfs/disciplinary-process/en/7977-Award-Reasoned-FINAL.pdfThank you for pulling the talking point rug out from under that tool.
Selective misleading quote.
Note the only possible source, and this was a introductory brief summary by the panel and not the full actual SH position.
Did not say it was the source .
Read the whole decision esp the actual stated position by SH’s council.
So remain happy on my rug looking how silly you are.
Thus she did not say she knows were it came from but could only deduce that the food was the only possible cause.
A huge difference when there is an argument she lied as the panel did not think that such was possible.
So if I had a car crash and did not know what had happened but reading about similar accidents said that x or y may be possible I would not be a liar if expert opinion said such could not be the case.
original liar soorer wrote:
Gentleman Savage wrote:
Thank you for pulling the talking point rug out from under that tool.
Selective misleading quote.
Note the only possible source, and this was a introductory brief summary by the panel and not the full actual SH position.
Did not say it was the source .
Read the whole decision esp the actual stated position by SH’s council.
So remain happy on my rug looking how silly you are.
From page 28 -
The Athlete has submitted an explanation as to why the ADRV she has been charged with can only be found to be not intentional. She explains that the prohibited substance must have entered her body due to consumption of a boar offal burrito that she ate from a food truck in Beaverton, Oregon, about 10 hours before her doping control test. She has not brought forward an alternative explanation.
I also suggest you (or anyone) go read pages 11-12, which details Shelby's testimony.
The time has come to provide any quote from the ruling that supports any claim you have made.
Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:
original liar soorer wrote:
Selective misleading quote.
Note the only possible source, and this was a introductory brief summary by the panel and not the full actual SH position.
Did not say it was the source .
Read the whole decision esp the actual stated position by SH’s council.
So remain happy on my rug looking how silly you are.
From page 28 -
The Athlete has submitted an explanation as to why the ADRV she has been charged with can only be found to be not intentional. She explains that the prohibited substance must have entered her body due to consumption of a boar offal burrito that she ate from a food truck in Beaverton, Oregon, about 10 hours before her doping control test. She has not brought forward an alternative explanation.
I also suggest you (or anyone) go read pages 11-12, which details Shelby's testimony.
The time has come to provide any quote from the ruling that supports any claim you have made.
Her submission says “ most likely source”
Back to the intro summary saying “ possible”.
That was from p11 you depended upon.
original liar soorer wrote:
That was from p11 you depended upon.
What up, Shayla? How can you have so much time for this with your Dark Sky coaching duties?