big bopper wrote:
Good point. Don't send her if a committee decides. Send Felix in the 100. I like it. Don't send some lower when we have nice upstanding women to fill all spots. Be careful what you ask for. Out team would be at least 50% different and not for the better.
Yeah, I'm sure if the US had the British system with top 2 get in and a discretionary pick we'd send Felix in the 100. Absurd premise.
big bopper wrote:
Why did she risk her spot to smoke if it didn't make her feel better?
Who said it didn't make her feel better? Her biological mom just died, she made a mistake and did something therapeutic.
JBaller33 wrote:
Why? She broke the rules that were established entering the competition. It’s not fair to the other athletes that followed the rules. She will face a 30-day ban retroactive to the time of the test and will be ineligible to compete as an individual in the 100 meters at the Olympics, but will be eligible for the 4 x 100. Hopefully, she learns her lesson about following the rules, wins gold in the 4 x 100, and then gold in the 100 in 2024.
Why? Cause Rojo is under increasing pressure to appear woke.
petemths70 wrote:
So we are allowing people to sign petitions after someone breaks the rules now??? These athletes are supposed to be role models, superior athletes and conduct themselves as such!! Do you have children Mr. Johnson? Is this a good role model for them if you do? Nieces or nephews, good role model? Should we let Holihan back in? All the drug cheats? That's the problem with society now a days, its either a rule or isn't! Its black or white! Its right or wrong! Too much living i the grey area!!!
I don't teach my kids to blindly and meekly follow nonsensical rules. That would make me a bad parent. I would not want my kids to look up to anyone as a role model who did specific actions simply because the rules dictated that they do so. That is a person undeserving of respect. We need to do things because they are right, not because rules tell us to do so.
I want my children to be rational, courageous free thinking people who act on the basis of moral courage, not mindless rule-following.
You are the decision maker on if smoking weed is nonsensical? Who is? Regardless, this is a rule in a sport that she decided that she wanted to be a part of. She knew this and broke the rules? Are steroids nonsensical? There is a rule against them also and people (like Shelby) have been rightfully banned for that also. If you compete in a sport you are accepting the rules whether or not you believe in them. You don't break the rules you agree to and that's what i would call good parenting! A person is undeserving of respect if they know the rules and abide by them even if they don't agree with them? That's respect in of itself! Yes i agree we need to do things because they are right and she knew the rules (liking them or not) and broke them. If she doesn't want to adhere to the rules, she doesn't have to participate! Your children can be free thinking, courageous and start their own circuit for athletes, but ill bet there will be rules and ill bet not everyone will agree to their rules either!!!!!
This "petition" is ludicrous. If everyone after her refused to go then we would have 2 US entrants instead of 3. Waste of time.
Sounds like it is a done deal. Richardson has taken full responsibility and conceded that she cannot run in the 100 in Tokyo.
Ok, she took the oral THC to calm her nerves after hearing about the death of her biological mom. You can easily construe this as a performance enhancement in race that might follow in the next day or two. So this would support the rule and the ban, but this seems like a bit of a stretch. If she had taken a stiff drink instead of the edible for the same purpose, not an issue. Why we would still have athletic anti-doping rules against substances of abuse? In the words of WADA, "they are frequently abused in society outside of the context of sport." WADA/USADA should stay in its lane and out of people's personal business that do not materially impact the integrity of the sport. In the end, THC use does not.
Anyway, do we know the timeline of all of this? When did she take the edible with respect to the timing of her races at the trials? THC is only on the banned list "in competition" according to the WADA and USADA rule book, What does this mean?
What discretion does USATF and USOPC have in choosing a relay athlete who otherwise did not qualify for the games?
I'll eventually sign it, but I want a day or two to pass to see how badly Max Siegel and the USATF staff idiots can bungle this up. They were galactically stupid in handling the Houlihan situation. However you felt about that topic, Max and Hazard said "we'll let her run" only to be beat down by USOPC, WADA, WA and the AIU. The Governing Body executive staff are a clown car.
Faulknerism wrote:
petemths70 wrote:
So we are allowing people to sign petitions after someone breaks the rules now??? These athletes are supposed to be role models, superior athletes and conduct themselves as such!! Do you have children Mr. Johnson? Is this a good role model for them if you do? Nieces or nephews, good role model? Should we let Holihan back in? All the drug cheats? That's the problem with society now a days, its either a rule or isn't! Its black or white! Its right or wrong! Too much living i the grey area!!!
I don't teach my kids to blindly and meekly follow nonsensical rules. That would make me a bad parent. I would not want my kids to look up to anyone as a role model who did specific actions simply because the rules dictated that they do so. That is a person undeserving of respect. We need to do things because they are right, not because rules tell us to do so.
I want my children to be rational, courageous free thinking people who act on the basis of moral courage, not mindless rule-following.
There's a time and a place to take a stand against nonsensical rules.
There's also a time and place for pragmatism and following stupid rules. Not smoking weed at the US Olympic trials would have been one of those times to think 'This rule is stupid, but the punishment for being caught isn't worth it at this point'.
It's really sad that she's not going, but incredibly short sighted on her part.
Wow congrats on a whopping 600 signatures. This is definitely going to change WADA's perspective now that LetsRun has gotten involved.
Seriously though what is the point? She openly admitted her guilt this morning. She's not denying anything or claiming foul play. She knows she'll serve a short suspension and miss the Olympics. You guys are exhausting.
rojo wrote:
Sha’Carri may have been foolish to smoke weed but it didn’t impact the other athletes’ chances of finishing top 3 at all - if anything it helped their chances.
I think you're wrong. Weed can absolutely facilitate relaxation and reduce anxiety in people. A first-time potential Olympian, the fastest woman in America, may have been anxious. Smoking weed, to her, could have indirectly been perceived to improve performance.
rojo wrote:
1) She’s clearly the best 100 runner in the US.
2) Marijuana isn’t a performance enhancer in track and shouldn’t be on the banned list.
3) The only way I can see her keeping her spot is if all of the US100 runners with the standard turn down the spot if offered it by USATF. Then USATF will have to nominate her.
Please spread the word.
http://chng.it/t6KMB27ph4PS. I don’t want to get into any marijuana debates. Yes, it was foolish for her not to abstain right before the Olympics but it’s also foolish for those in charge to even be bothering to test for it.
I think it's a horrible idea to "call on" other athletes to turn down their spots on the U.S. Olympic Team because you and some others think that (1) the governing rules shouldn't be applied to someone whom you regard as "clearly the best 100 runner in the U.S." and (2) "[m]arijuana isn’t a performance enhancer in track and shouldn’t be on the banned list." And then you have the audacity to tell people that you "don't want to get into any marijuana debates," even though one of your two reasons for "calling on" other athletes to turn down their spots is precisely based on your assertion that "[m]arijuana isn’t a performance enhancer in track and shouldn’t be on the banned list."
Have you actually tried contacting the athletes whom you're publicly "calling on," or do you just prefer to use your forum to pressure these athletes into doing something that they may not believe is appropriate? I mean, I'm confident that there are reasons that would strongly incline me to turn down my spot, but those reasons probably wouldn't include a feeling of moral obligation to free up a spot for someone who appears to have knowingly violated well-established anti-doping rules (and has committed a criminal act under federal law, which I personally consider a big deal), and I would be especially uneasy about caving to the assertion that I should give up my spot because others believe that the doper and criminal (whom I may not even like, or respect, or trust to otherwise adhere to anti-doping rules) would be a better attention-getter or a better representative of my country or my sport. I'd also hate to think that I would turn down my spot because you and others are seeking to coerce me with the implicit threat of public humiliation and disapproval. And though you may not believe that you're seeking to coerce me, you're certainly not seeking to inform me of anything that I may not have thought of, and I certainly know more about this other person as well as the well-established written standards for banning a substance or practice, which I know do not require a finding or even a belief or suspiction that the substance or practice enhances performance or may facilitate or cover up the use of other performance-enhancing substances or practices. (How can you not know that?)
and there it is.......after a decade plus on LRC.....a rojo post I agree with.
ForFusion wrote:
Wow congrats on a whopping 600 signatures. This is definitely going to change WADA's perspective now that LetsRun has gotten involved.
Why is everyone saying it's WADA's call? It's the USATF and by extension her competitors'. We have a strict Trials system where the top 3 on the day go. Technically Richardson wasn't because she had weed in her system, something I doubt anyone would argue, in good faith, is the reason she was top 3. Objectively, everyone knows she belongs on the US team as our best 100m runner. WADA will make her eligible in time for the Olympics. Weed stupidly invalidating a race in an all-or-nothing Trials system is the only roadblock.
ForFusion wrote:
Wow congrats on a whopping 600 signatures. This is definitely going to change WADA's perspective now that LetsRun has gotten involved.
Seriously though what is the point? She openly admitted her guilt this morning. She's not denying anything or claiming foul play. She knows she'll serve a short suspension and miss the Olympics. You guys are exhausting.
the point is that the rule is stupid so we're doing something to change it and rectify a wrong.
Also this petition is closing in on 10K signatures: https://www.change.org/p/international-olympic-committee-reinstate-sha-carri-richardson?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_29668370_en-US%3A3&recruiter=848627984&recruited_by_id=33d74580-f61d-11e7-b38c-259d412f4a20&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=tap_basic_share
Faulknerism wrote:
I don't teach my kids to blindly and meekly follow nonsensical rules. That would make me a bad parent. I would not want my kids to look up to anyone as a role model who did specific actions simply because the rules dictated that they do so. That is a person undeserving of respect. We need to do things because they are right, not because rules tell us to do so.
I want my children to be rational, courageous free thinking people who act on the basis of moral courage, not mindless rule-following.
Tell us how you feel about that 20 years from now when they are still living in your basement.
Nope. You can't pick and choose how to apply the rules.
rojo wrote:
I don’t think we should be invading people’s private lives unless we have a really good reason to do so. There is no need to be testing for marijuana in this case. If she was a school bus driver or nurse, yes. She’s a god damn sprinter.
She's a great runner. Let her race at the Olympics.
Right!