Australia and New Zealand go into COVID lockdown and reinstate restrictions

Armstronglivs wrote:

The US has lost more American lives to Covid in a year than in 4 years of combat in WW2, and almost as many as in the Civil War.

Ah, comparing war deaths to health related illnesses. Ok, let's do it.

Australia lost 17,500 to coronary heart disease, which is usually caused by bad eating habits, in 2018 alone- that's more Australians lost than in any single year during WWII.

In fact more Australians lost their lives to Coronary Heart Disease between 2016 and 2018 than in all of WWII (27,000 Australians died in WWII). However, Australia still has 982 McDonalds restaurants located in its country.

Shame on Australia.[/quote]

Yes - let's do it.

"Coronary heart disease accounted for approximately 13% of deaths in the US in 2018, causing 365,744 deaths. According to data from 2005 to 2014, the estimated annual incidence of heart attack in the US was 605,000 new attacks and 200,000 recurrent attacks."

It doesn't matter what comparative data you use to try to distract from your own failures in the US, you lose.

You are obsessed with those countries that show up the US response to the pandemic. Clearly, you can't cope with your own sense of personal failure that arises from that collective failure, or you wouldn't post these pathetic threads.[/quote]

None of us gets out of here alive. Eventually we all die of something and the coroner has to check a box. Stop acting like COVID is taking down people in their prime.

They could also interview the 99.xx % of people who do not think its a prison, are glad to still be working normally, even more in my case, in a country that is leading the world economically post Covid, lower unemployment than before Covid....yeah, I'm sure those people would rather want to travel than have a job hey?--- freedom to not get infected and the knowledge of where the infections are so that our lockdowns actually require minimal change to lifestyle, and quickly douses the outbreak.

Have a look here at what keeping things under control gives you, unlike USA and most of world where they may as well not lockdown, because its out of control anyway, and makes comparisons with us meaningless.

https://twitter.com/dbRaevn/status/1411184129480171523/photo/1

Top right hand corner is the origin- USA air crew and driver S1.

It is colour coded for dates, and broken down into 'those already isolating during infectious period, or not'.

Today we are down to 16 new, 13 aqlready in isolation, 1 for some part of infectious time, and 2 that were not at all.

Where else and how else can you manage this better.

Your criticism of Australia seems to stem from some envy over our situation vs yours. You, Trump, state governors etc, hopelessly failed. Once it was out of control your lockdowns meant nothing, yet your economy and lifestyle is more affected, more reluctance and possibility of infection etc.

Hence your continued comparisons are ignorant.

"You gotta love this city"

comedyreilef wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The US has lost more American lives to Covid in a year than in 4 years of combat in WW2, and almost as many as in the Civil War.

Ah, comparing war deaths to health related illnesses. Ok, let's do it.

Australia lost 17,500 to coronary heart disease, which is usually caused by bad eating habits, in 2018 alone- that's more Australians lost than in any single year during WWII.

In fact more Australians lost their lives to Coronary Heart Disease between 2016 and 2018 than in all of WWII (27,000 Australians died in WWII). However, Australia still has 982 McDonalds restaurants located in its country.

Shame on Australia.

Yes - let's do it.

"Coronary heart disease accounted for approximately 13% of deaths in the US in 2018, causing 365,744 deaths. According to data from 2005 to 2014, the estimated annual incidence of heart attack in the US was 605,000 new attacks and 200,000 recurrent attacks."

It doesn't matter what comparative data you use to try to distract from your own failures in the US, you lose.

You are obsessed with those countries that show up the US response to the pandemic. Clearly, you can't cope with your own sense of personal failure that arises from that collective failure, or you wouldn't post these pathetic threads.[/quote]

None of us gets out of here alive. Eventually we all die of something and the coroner has to check a box. Stop acting like COVID is taking down people in their prime.[/quote]

Most deaths, aside from accidents, don't take people in their prime. They are still people, jerk, whose lives have been cut short by illness or disease. If people matter, they matter. Even you, one of these days.

Your criticism of Australia seems to stem from some envy over our situation vs yours. You, Trump, state governors etc, hopelessly failed. Once it was out of control your lockdowns meant nothing, yet your economy and lifestyle is more affected, more reluctance and possibility of infection etc.

Hence your continued comparisons are ignorant.

"You gotta love this city"[/quote]

What the entire thread is about.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Your criticism of Australia seems to stem from some envy over our situation vs yours. You, Trump, state governors etc, hopelessly failed. Once it was out of control your lockdowns meant nothing, yet your economy and lifestyle is more affected, more reluctance and possibility of infection etc.

Hence your continued comparisons are ignorant.

"You gotta love this city"

What the entire thread is about.

And what is your hatred of the USA based on?

I am not American and I am not Australian, just curious (also don't know why lotus is going after Australia even if I agree with many of his/her views).

trhhhrthtr wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

What the entire thread is about.

And what is your hatred of the USA based on?

I am not American and I am not Australian, just curious (also don't know why lotus is going after Australia even if I agree with many of his/her views).

I dont have a hatred of the US. But I have no time for those in the US who duck the abysmal mistakes that have been made there by seeking to find or exaggerate flaws in others - as this thread seeks to do.

There has been much in the US that I have admired - particularly in the arts, culture and sport - but it has also become a profoundly dysfunctional society, which the politics of the last 4 years in particular have brought into sharp relief. The polarization into political tribes that reject each other, as we increasingly see in the US today, is an end game for a nation - and we hear some of those extreme voices on these threads.

Interesting article. It appears Australia does have a COVID “exit plan” , that includes the end of lockdowns, but unfortunately that “exit”doesn’t occur till sometime next year.

One quote from the article that really highlights the Australian government ineptitude IMO-

“The vaccine rollout is 9 to 12 months behind,” he said. “The costs we’re seeing now — if we hadn’t been too slow, we could have avoided all of them.”

If this continues it appears Australia will still be locking down in July 2022..And probably still be screaming about how “free” their country is.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/world/australia/australia-coronavirus-covid-19.amp.html

Interesting article. It appears Australia does have a COVID “exit plan” , that includes the end of lockdowns, but unfortunately that “exit”doesn’t occur till sometime next year.

One quote from the article that really highlights the Australian government ineptitude IMO-

“The vaccine rollout is 9 to 12 months behind,” he said. “The costs we’re seeing now — if we hadn’t been too slow, we could have avoided all of them.”

If this continues it appears Australia will still be locking down in July 2022..And probably still be screaming about how “free” their country is.

Wrong. You can't even read the article you posted.

"In the next three months, if more vaccine supplies reach Australia as scheduled, the likelihood of death and hospitalization will continue to go down because more people will be protected by vaccines. And then, as the prime minister announced today, everyone will have been offered a vaccine, and life will start to return to some semblance of “normal.” We’ll probably still have to get a Covid test before traveling internationally, but hey, at least we’ll be traveling."

And they'll still be alive - unlike 600,000 Americans. Loser.

Armstronglivs wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

There are also less automobile related deaths in a maximum security prison than in an average American city.

The sheer intelligibility of that claim is proof of the removal of your cerebral cortex. The US has lost more American lives to Covid in a year than in 4 years of combat in WW2, and almost as many as in the Civil War. But it isn't a crisis that requires a response - whether in Australia or the US - to a mind like yours. When Australia acts to to try to save lives and you construe that as an attack on "freedom" it shows you are likely the most stupid poster ever in the history of this board.

Comparing the deaths of young American males in their prime to primarily very old and often obese Americans in poor health is beyond laughable. It's just dishonest. You should visit a nursing home and see for yourself the health of those residents. And I will say it: the death of a healthy 20 year old is far more tragic than the death of an 80 year old - healthy or unhealthy. We should not sacrifice the well being of most of our citizenry for the false pretext that "this not the flu". For the vast majority of young and healthy adults, that's all it is.

Now that we've established the lives of healthy young America males (like you?) are more valuable than the lives of other people. Nauseating selfcentredness.

Covid doesn't just kill people in rest homes. There are many in the community far younger - many who have a variety of health-related conditions or are immune-compromised - who have also been the casualties of this disease. But what do you care - if it isn't you or people like you. And the "sacrifice" you are being asked to bear is to wear a mask. You make me puke.

The flu, another contagious disease, kills people every year that are “far younger” than those living in nursing homes. I guess we should lockdown society every single flu season.

If we don’t lockdown society in order to save the individuals who pass away due to flu complications is it because their lives don’t matter?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Now that we've established the lives of healthy young America males (like you?) are more valuable than the lives of other people..

That is not what he said.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Interesting article. It appears Australia does have a COVID “exit plan” , that includes the end of lockdowns, but unfortunately that “exit”doesn’t occur till sometime next year.

One quote from the article that really highlights the Australian government ineptitude IMO-

“The vaccine rollout is 9 to 12 months behind,” he said. “The costs we’re seeing now — if we hadn’t been too slow, we could have avoided all of them.”

If this continues it appears Australia will still be locking down in July 2022..And probably still be screaming about how “free” their country is.

Can you read?

I think we have covered several times why the roll out of vaccines is at the rate it is.

If you have any spare Pfizer or Moderna, please send some our way ;-)

...and again, to EnergetiClitorisEater...

Our 'lockdowns' do not affetc our way of life, or work, other than some first world complaints. I am off to work soon, will pop in at shops on way, and on way home have tyo pick up some stuff from the hardware store for my renovation.

But...given your envy of our lifestyle, let me point out the following:

Chinese investors and migrants are one of the factors influencing our house prices. In the past year, due to Covid, restrictions on Chines students ( there are 100,000 at our Unis), there have been less Chinese buyers of course.

Guess what? The amount of US and UK buyers are at an all time high! Our house prices are at highest ever, the youngsters maybe don't like it, but I do.

Why are your compatriots so in love with our 'prison'?

Why are you not on board...were you rejected?

All you Australians who think you're different from New Zealand, this is more proof that you're exactly the same people, except for the different indigenous population.

I personally know about ten people who got the covid. None where very ill. For most it was barely noticeable. One dude was not feeling well for about two weeks, but he’s back to playing sports 100%. No factor.

It’s up to the small percentage of the population that is at risk to lock themselves down. It’s also their responsibility to make better lifestyle choices so they are healthier and stronger.

It’s stupid to have the tail wagging the dog.

There are lockdowns, and there are lockdowns. I am currently at work as usual. We are supposed to work from home if possible, but I needed to come into the office today, no issue from anyone.

On the weekend, nice winter weather. I walked all around my area with my dog. TYhousands out at parts, athletics tracks beached exercising. Just can't sit in a park or on the beach.

Popped up to the supermarket to shop as usual, except wearing a mask. Restaurants and pubs are shut, but you can still buy takeaway, and many make a point of doing so during a lockdown to support their local businesses.

My gym is shut. That is the biggest killer for me and hard for my cons to do decent quality gym sessions, though as I said tracks are open (not ones you pay for though).

So this is lockdown. The only restrictions that really affect people are:

- gyms, pubs and restaurants being shut (exercise outdoor and buy takeaway),

- hair/beauty places

- clothes shops shut (buy online)

- can't go to each others' places - so you catch up for a walk instead

The local coffee shop and most bottle shops do really well out of COVID lockdowns.

Numbers up a little today, looking unlikely we will come out of lockdown Friday after our 2 weeks.

The good thing is this lockdown has shaken a lot of people out of their COVID complacency and vaccination numbers are rising, though we still have to wait another month or two to get a bunch more Pfizer vaccines into the country. Europe blockaded them for a while. The isolation that helped keep infections down has hurt supply of the vaccines.

dum wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Now that we've established the lives of healthy young America males (like you?) are more valuable than the lives of other people..

That is not what he said.

Yes, it is.

Covid is nothing like the flu, except to you brain-dead Covid-deniers. But those with the flu typically self-isolate by staying at home to recover when they have it, reducing its incidence. Covid spreads far far easier.