actual footage. wrote:
Jakob was already tested hundreds of times. By the time his career is over he'll be tested thousands of times
So what. Dopers are way ahead of the testers. That race was run - and won - long ago.
actual footage. wrote:
Jakob was already tested hundreds of times. By the time his career is over he'll be tested thousands of times
So what. Dopers are way ahead of the testers. That race was run - and won - long ago.
Even worse. So you're just racist using traditional leftist/liberal racist slander phrases like "great white hope" in an attempt to marginalize a single race. Great job.
As you know no white people need running to survive anymore. It's a chance that some white of higher caliber will decide to stick with running. With Jakob this is that that chance.
I guess Norwegian media (and much of Europe) will be excited to follow a young phenom such as Jakob and not write as much about Barega just as the Ethiopian media will equally write much more about the great black hope Barega and minimally around Jakob.[/quote]
1. He has not used that expression. 2. In the Western world people has never had the the need for running to survive, because there were not so much money in the sport earlier. But for Africans sure, for the last decades. 3. Norwegian media sticks to Jakob for sure. Sportsjournalism is nationalistic, and they forget about Barega and the other great Jacob - Kiplimo. That's how it works even in African media. Sure, Norwegian spostjournalism has not paid nuch attention to the young Africans, and partly overlooked them. Even 18 year old promising runners, whether they come from US, UK and Denmark don't get the attention they deserve. But that has nothing to do with "The Great White Hope". And BTW, get rids of these Ad Hominem Fallacies.
reheh wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
How can Jacob be one of the most obvious dopers when he has been followed closely by the media since he was 11, where the performance shows steady improvements each and every year?
He is as suspicious of being a doper as Cheptegei is.
Pretty much true for anyone now at the top of sport. A clean athlete doesn't beat the best dopers.
jeff tallon wrote:
bulldust! there is no way in hell clean europeans could outrun doped kenyans,who are quite simply born to run,and born to run well.Even doped europeans would struggle to keep up to even the best clean kenyan runners.
I doubt that anything under 12.50 - by anyone - is clean. Athletes have trained hard for decades. The difference is doping.
cockle wrote:
Their is a saying among international cross country skiing circles that goes something like "Norwegian skiers are never guilty, no matter what they do. " Wink wink.
Doesnt matter what they say. It could simple be a sign of jealously. Fact is; not a single Norwegian skiier has ever been caught taking drugs that boost their achivements. In contrast to lots of other countries. Its a transparent country and the moral conduct is sky high. You dont need to be a star athlete to get a great life. Poverty almost doesnt excist. That obviously helps a lot when it comes to not being lured to take the dirty road. The condemnation among your fellow citiziens, the national focus on antidoping and the togetherness, knowing that your wrong doing would destroy the credibility among all your fellow colleagues.
Any of this cant obviously be seen as a guarantee that noone cheats just because they are Norwegian, but it surely helps compared to countries where its a saying that everyone else takes dope anyway so why shouldnt we..?
Aaleby wrote:
cockle wrote:
Their is a saying among international cross country skiing circles that goes something like "Norwegian skiers are never guilty, no matter what they do. " Wink wink.
Doesnt matter what they say. It could simple be a sign of jealously. Fact is; not a single Norwegian skiier has ever been caught taking drugs that boost their achivements. In contrast to lots of other countries. Its a transparent country and the moral conduct is sky high. You dont need to be a star athlete to get a great life. Poverty almost doesnt excist. That obviously helps a lot when it comes to not being lured to take the dirty road. The condemnation among your fellow citiziens, the national focus on antidoping and the togetherness, knowing that your wrong doing would destroy the credibility among all your fellow colleagues.
Any of this cant obviously be seen as a guarantee that noone cheats just because they are Norwegian, but it surely helps compared to countries where its a saying that everyone else takes dope anyway so why shouldnt we..?
So Norwegian skiers don't want to win - even though they are up against dopers from other countries?
Steroids and air-way wideners seems performance-enhancing? What about the case when the norwegian skiing federation used non-sanctioned methods for inhalation.
And you missed the point the poster made - with things like advanced micro-dozing and other intricate modern methods, we’ve been shown countless times that testing frequency doesn’t guarantee that you’re clean. Sadly, clean tests just mean absence of dirty tests, not absence of doping. Not necessarily saying that Jakob is doped, but sadly practically everyone is potentially doped in todays climate.
KaareV wrote:
Even 18 year old promising runners, whether they come from US, UK and Denmark don't get the attention they deserve .
Even in the latest Ethiopian trials when looking about the 19 years Moroccan that take part on that trial 1500m, I was surprised that some Ethiopians were native of 2004/2005 and raked well with 3:33 / 3:3:34.
Obviously European medias will overlook that and never talk of prodigies and instead they will talk about the usual African age falsification.
Compare the care that have gotten Ingebrigtsen over the years (material, mediatic, even a passeport without visa make the life easy for a runner) and these poor young runners?
Maybe Melkeneh Azeze or Wegene Addisu will become sub 3:30 runners in the future. To be sceptical when it comes to age with ethiopians is well justified, i couldn't find a picture of these two so maybe they are the real deal. If he is born 2002 or earlier its far less impressive
Are you this stupid or are you just pretending?
You come with these unfounded doping suspissions EVERY time, and with clearly no knowledge about norwegian doping authorities, norwegian mentality towards doping, or the professionalism of norwegian sports.
Compared to our under 6 million people, Norway is by far the best sports nation in the world.
Lazy people like you will say "Duh, that because they are all doped".
More intelligent people will research what Norway does and copy them. Many nations do.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You're joking. Or effectively admitting he, too, is a doper.
So what is the arbitrary 5000m time of a clean runner by Mr. Armstronglivs?
You should creat a table which shows how fast runners are allowed to go to be considered clean. Ant then dissolve WADA and just ban runners that are going faster than the times in table.
DC Wonk wrote:
The only way anyone else is going to heat him at this point is to run super high pace from the gun. No way he loses that final 200m. I’ve been a Jakob skeptic but that was boss.
Timothy Cheruiyot say hi!
Doesn't it get exhausting just accusing every runner of doping? Literally every thread is just about shoes or doping. Jesus.
revgreen wrote:
Doesn't it get exhausting just accusing every runner of doping? Literally every thread is just about shoes or doping. Jesus.
On here, it never grows old for East Africans. When someone like Jakob come along, it's sacrilege to suggest that their performance is due to anything other than lots of hard work and clean living.
SprintTriathlon wrote:
reheh wrote:
Subway and Coevett always said that if you ran as fast as a doper (and they say ElG was a doper) you were definitely a doper.
Jakob is already faster at 5,000.
Before that you answered to
Semiler who wrote:
"He was not even all in. He could have run faster but saved his energy for a winning kick."
Your response?
"Your meds, darling, you forgot your meds."
It is clear that you make a great run by Jacob into all about doping.
It is a shame.
(For those interested: This was a reply to his page 4 rant).
Please don't take up a job as a lawyer. You would be fired in the first week.
My ""Your meds, darling, you forgot your meds." comment was directed at THE POSTER (not Jakob), meaning that he/she must have forgotten their medication (to keep them from saying stupid things) if he/she thought Jakob "was not even all in." in that race.
I am now waiting for your double apology.
reheh wrote:
SprintTriathlon wrote:
Before that you answered to
Semiler who wrote:
"He was not even all in. He could have run faster but saved his energy for a winning kick."
Your response?
"Your meds, darling, you forgot your meds."
It is clear that you make a great run by Jacob into all about doping.
It is a shame.
(For those interested: This was a reply to his page 4 rant).
Please don't take up a job as a lawyer. You would be fired in the first week.
My ""Your meds, darling, you forgot your meds." comment was directed at THE POSTER (not Jakob), meaning that he/she must have forgotten their medication (to keep them from saying stupid things) if he/she thought Jakob "was not even all in." in that race.
I am now waiting for your double apology.
In case you think I am making things up, it is a well known expression in English. There are even memes about it!
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67568165/you-forgot-your-meds-didnt-you.jpgrevgreen wrote:
Doesn't it get exhausting just accusing every runner of doping? Literally every thread is just about shoes or doping. Jesus.
It's what they do. The letsrun messageboard is the most important thing in their sad lives.
Armstronglivs wrote:
jeff tallon wrote:
bulldust! there is no way in hell clean europeans could outrun doped kenyans,who are quite simply born to run,and born to run well.Even doped europeans would struggle to keep up to even the best clean kenyan runners.
I doubt that anything under 12.50 - by anyone - is clean. Athletes have trained hard for decades. The difference is doping.
Lol. The Tallon guy is one of those lefties whos clutched the vapid, mindwashing book Born To Run and now is struggling to find a reason for living. His world is crushed. He'll now have to accept a white man is a superior runner. Born to run!
Also, there are no clean Kenyans.
Clive meater wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I doubt that anything under 12.50 - by anyone - is clean. Athletes have trained hard for decades. The difference is doping.
Lol. The Tallon guy is one of those lefties whos clutched the vapid, mindwashing book Born To Run and now is struggling to find a reason for living. His world is crushed. He'll now have to accept a white man is a superior runner. Born to run!
Also, there are no clean Kenyans.
No clean Kenyans, no Kenyan teenagers, etc. We know your type.
It's good that you have a platform to vent your frustrations.
Clive meater wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I doubt that anything under 12.50 - by anyone - is clean. Athletes have trained hard for decades. The difference is doping.
Lol. The Tallon guy is one of those lefties whos clutched the vapid, mindwashing book Born To Run and now is struggling to find a reason for living. His world is crushed. He'll now have to accept a white man is a superior runner. Born to run!
Also, there are no clean Kenyans.
I thought Jeff Tallon was one of rojo's sockpuppets?
Just talkin sh!t for hits.
