I think that's naive. I sat with a world record holder who received a call that he'd be drug tested within the next two weeks. Drug testing is about organisational credibility and window dressing. Some get thrown under a bus; others are protected.
I think that's naive. I sat with a world record holder who received a call that he'd be drug tested within the next two weeks. Drug testing is about organisational credibility and window dressing. Some get thrown under a bus; others are protected.
LDoc wrote:
I think that's naive. I sat with a world record holder who received a call that he'd be drug tested within the next two weeks. Drug testing is about organisational credibility and window dressing. Some get thrown under a bus; others are protected.
The situation you describe is precisely why dopers get away with it.
What are you saying? DC was taking a designer steroid; he was 'glowing 24/7'. The most you could ever hope to do as a tested athlete is take a designer steroid, but only a fool would do this after Balco (ie if you're being given it by a "talented" chemist, others are - and that's trouble). Even peptides are difficult to administer with clear out times. Otherwise it's patches, creams. But these don't provide consistent blood levels, and just enable spikes of cortisol and estrogen, whilst often being very supportive of endogenous testosterone. The mistake rookies make is to think that some missed tests are indicative of profound drug induced improvements athletes are trying to make. A steroid cycle worth its weight would last at least 4 weeks. That's not feasible, even at 4 missed tests in a year. It's a complete misnomer. Why do you think Russia (and former eastern bloc countries) invested so much in steroid programmes? Why do you think people are still willing to run, and get caught, with turinabol, stanozalol and oxandrolone in their systems? They are the only things that really work.
Integrity Unity wrote:
LDoc wrote:
I think that's naive. I sat with a world record holder who received a call that he'd be drug tested within the next two weeks. Drug testing is about organisational credibility and window dressing. Some get thrown under a bus; others are protected.
The situation you describe is precisely why dopers get away with it.
That was the point of my post. The OP suggested D Bailey and U Bolt had never missed a whereabouts test because that's what we're told. I reacted with an anecdote to show why that says nothing. I'm not sure of your point.
LDoc wrote:
SouthernFriedRealist wrote:
Don’t be a moron. Plenty of people get tested a lot more then Coleman and don’t have a problem with missing tests.
I follow MMA and Nick Diaz got a whereabouts suspension.
Nothing like a bare assertion to get conversation moving.
I gave you a white guy who was suspended for a whereabouts failure. Coleman has shown to have frequent issues with this. He wasn’t where he said he’d be during his one hour window. But you’re trying to make this a racial issue?
I wasn’t sure what your point was. It seems that half the posters here don’t understand the depth and the institutional nature of the cheating.
Most of the doping occurred during the off-season, where Conte advised the anti-doping authorities to focus their testing. "Many drug-tested athletes use what I call the "duck and dodge" technique," Conte wrote. "This is basically how it works: First, the athlete repeatedly calls their own cell phone until the message capacity is full. This way the athlete can claim to the testers that they didn't get a message when they finally decide to make themselves available.
"Secondly, they provide incorrect information on their whereabouts form. They say they are going to one place and then go to another. Thereafter, they start using testosterone, growth hormone and other drugs for a short cycle of two to three weeks.
"After the athlete discontinues using the drugs for a few days and they know that they will test clean, they become available and resume training at their regular facility."
Conte criticized USADA for focusing the bulk of its testing in-season. "It's my opinion that more than fifty percent of the drug tests performed each year should be during the off season or the fourth quarter. This is when the track athletes are duckin' and divin' and using anabolic steroids and other drugs."
The first paragraph is no longer relevant as the authorities don't use that method of contact anymore. But the idea is slightly relevant, Coleman proved that you could provide incorrect whereabouts ahead of time and be able to back-date infractions.
The second paragraph is absolutely relevant. Deliberately fail to be where you said you would be, dope in a short cycle of 2-3 weeks and hope you don't get tested. If you do then you dodge it.
Coleman even states he made himself available for a drugs test two days after the testers were unable to locate him.
Contrary to what you said about drug cycling, Conte explains in various interviews that athletes take drugs in 2-3 week cycles at specific times of the year to aid development in strength etc. Hence he advised the anti doping authorities to do most of their testing in the Winter.
Coleman and Naser, interestingly, are both highlighted for their 4th missed tests in December/January.
Let's all just zoom way out for a second though. Thousands of athletes manager just fine with the whereabouts system, but two of the fastest sprinters all time manage to accrue 4 missed tests and you think there is nothing suspicious there?
Let's tell it like it is wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
I am firmly of the opinion that drug cheats have ruined this sport.
Half the 'idols' in sprinting have served a drugs ban for testing positive and then come back to win medals and smear the name of the athletics.
Well...what do expect when a twice-banned guy like Gatlin is still around competing. C'mon...a 37 yr old with a doping history taking silver at last year's World Championships. Lol. That's so laughable it should have been annulled based on the circumstances. This event seems to one that doping is tolerated as it's become nothing but a freakshow with a benevolent approach to the few that actually get caught.
It's like wrestling or body building
rojo wrote:
webby wrote:
Remember when his dad came here and attacked us all for daring to suggest that there was anything fishy about missing 3 tests in a year -- even if technically legal?
Well, we want to know more facts but we are tenatively siding with Coleman on this one. I'm sorry, you don't ban the Olympic favorite in the 100m without even attempting to call him.
Here is our article on the matter, but the authorities ADMIT they didn't even try to call him. Why?
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/06/worlds-fastest-man-may-face-an-olympic-ban-for-missing-yet-another-drug-test/
What about the other 2 times?
Most elites book a very early time so they will definitely be at home. If you're already on 2 would you really be dl careless anyway.
He's ducked the test as they only get 2 years ban not 4 and he'll try to bs his way out of it.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
rojo wrote:
Well, we want to know more facts but we are tenatively siding with Coleman on this one. I'm sorry, you don't ban the Olympic favorite in the 100m without even attempting to call him.
Here is our article on the matter, but the authorities ADMIT they didn't even try to call him. Why?
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/06/worlds-fastest-man-may-face-an-olympic-ban-for-missing-yet-another-drug-test/What about the other 2 times?
Most elites book a very early time so they will definitely be at home. If you're already on 2 would you really be dl careless anyway.
He's ducked the test as they only get 2 years ban not 4 and he'll try to bs his way out of it.
It's actually only even 1-2 years ban. 1 is the minimum. And they backdate it to start from the doping infraction which is December 2019.
So Coleman could be back racing in 2021 in time for the Olympics even if they gave him an 18 month suspension (very typical for this sort of thing)
And people wonder why the public see athletics as a circus show.
SouthernFriedRealist wrote:
LDoc wrote:
Nothing like a bare assertion to get conversation moving.
I gave you a white guy who was suspended for a whereabouts failure. Coleman has shown to have frequent issues with this. He wasn’t where he said he’d be during his one hour window. But you’re trying to make this a racial issue?
No, you gave me a white MMA fighter in a predominantly white participatory sport, and called me a moron. If I am, indeed, playing a race card (which is a claim apt to conceal institutional racism, by the way), it is with a genuine interest in seeing if my perceived link between alleged violations and people of colour (of which I am not) stands up.
LDoc wrote:
SouthernFriedRealist wrote:
I gave you a white guy who was suspended for a whereabouts failure. Coleman has shown to have frequent issues with this. He wasn’t where he said he’d be during his one hour window. But you’re trying to make this a racial issue?
No, you gave me a white MMA fighter in a predominantly white participatory sport, and called me a moron. If I am, indeed, playing a race card (which is a claim apt to conceal institutional racism, by the way), it is with a genuine interest in seeing if my perceived link between alleged violations and people of colour (of which I am not) stands up.
Are you implying institutional racism in the US, in athletics or in antidoping?
Cyclists have been banned for whereabouts missed tests: Lizzie Armitstead (World Champ), Michael Rasmussen (while wearing the yellow jersey) and Yoann Offredo. Not US, not athletics but all white.
LDoc you speak in affirmatives—all of which are incorrect.
the usa seems to be the hotbed of doping. countless athletes getting cleared even when missing tests. Other athletes getting away with arguments like having sex, eating meat and kissing a lot. At least in nigeria cheaters are held accountable more than in the usa.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
LDoc you speak in affirmatives—all of which are incorrect.
No, I write discurssively. Either you don't know what affirmatives are or are gasslighting. Either way, your comment and my need to reply are a waste of time (an affirmative).
Agreed. But I'm wondering why we can't point to track 'scandals' involving white athletes. I'm testing the possibility that there is institutional racism in the anti-doping movement where BAME mass participation is a given. I notice the same 'scandals' when it comes to DID cases. I'm not wishing to be polemical; I'm merely curious (and maybe concerned). Disclosure: I have a black nephew, and in my country institutional racism has been outed in domestic sport, education, employment, and so on. But I don't think the conversation has much purchase.
White athletes suspended for whereabouts failures in Aus I seem to recall?
American exceptionalism personified. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.
The last part of your comment is nonsense , he said he was not where he was supposed to be.He said he went shopping so your argument about bad faith testers is foolishness.