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7 years ago 12/01/2017 3:43pm EST

re: And the big deal is?

Breaking news: President Trump has ZERO connections to Russia

Except for

the Flynn thing

and the Manafort thing

and the Tillerson thing

and the Sessions thing

and the Kushner thing

and the Wray thing

and the Morgan, Lewis, & Bockius "Russian Law Firm of the Year" thing

and the Carter Page thing

and the Roger Stone thing

and the 198 Million voter records thing

and the Felix Sater thing

and the Boris Ephsteyn thing

and the Rosneft thing

and the Gazprom thing

and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing

and the Azerbajain thing

and the "I love Putin" thing

and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing

and the Lavrov thing

and the Sergey Kislyak thing

and the Oval Office thing

and the Gingrich/Kislyak phone calls thing

and the Russian Business Interests thing

and the Emoluments Clause thing

and the Alex Schnaider thing

and the hack of the DNC thing

and the Guccifer 2.0 thing

and the Mike Pence "I don't know anything" thing

and the Russians mysteriously dying thing and Trump's public request to Russia to hack Hillary's email thing

and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing

and the Russian fertilizer king's plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing

and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing

and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing

and the Cyprus bank thing and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing

and the Republican Party's rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing

and the election hacking thing

and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing

and the Steele Dossier thing

and the Sally Yates can't testify thing

and the intelligence community's investigative reports thing

and the Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all "fake news" thing

and the Chaffetz not willing to start an investigation thing

and the Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation thing

and the appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by Trump in the Trump University scandal appointed to head the investigation thing

and the alfa-bank thing

and the VEB thing

and the The White House going into full-on cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and subsequent firing of Flynn thing

and the Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama thing

and the Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything thing

and the Agent M16 following the money thing

and the Trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway thing

and the let's fire Comey thing

and the Mueller let's fire him too thing

and the Election night Russian trademark gifts thing

and the Russian diplomatic compound electronic equipment destruction thing

and the let's give back the diplomatic compounds back to the Russians thing

and the let's back away from Cuba thing

and the donny Jr met with Russians thing

and now Trump's secret second meeting with his boss Putin.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 3:49pm EST

re: Answer this...

Answer this... wrote:
"Russia interfered with the election"
Is this still the uncaught big fish?

No. That fish is caught. It has been proven that Russia did that.

Did Trump Admin collude to assist? Likely.

Trump and so many others in the administration have lied that they didn't have contact with Russia.

Why? Why lie about it?

The Logan Act says that there will be a "fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States."

That applies here. What on Earth would Trump and his cronies be negotiating with Russia? Well, removing sanctions imposed by Obama. Do they do that for nothing in return? Of course not! They do it for help in propping up Trump and putting out fake news to rip on Hillary.

Don't stay in your denial hut any longer, brother. Yes there are crooked and creepy Democrats, but you need to recognize that Trump's cronies have engaged in illegal behavior, and that Trump likely has too. His actions are a clear and present danger to the US.

Trump is done.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 3:53pm EST

re: Flagpole

Breitbart is on it

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/12/01/report-flynn-ready-to-testify-against-trump-testify-trump-ordered-him-to-contact-russians/

He has promised full cooperation to the Mueller team. He’s prepared to testify, we are told by a confidante, against President Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House. He is prepared to testify that President Trump, as a candidate…ordered him and directed him to make contact with the Russians, which contradicts all that Donald Trump has said at this point.”

7 years ago 12/01/2017 3:54pm EST

re: Flagpole

FP and LL, if Kushner was ordered to establish communication with Russia after the election, how does that not discredit the Trump/Russia election collusion narrative?

Where is the evidence of this collusion, if there was no contact before the election?

7 years ago 12/01/2017 3:56pm EST

re: L L

L L wrote:
He is prepared to testify that President Trump, as a candidate…ordered him and directed him to make contact with the Russians, which contradicts all that Donald Trump has said at this point.”

But, the contact was made on December 29, 2016... DJT was no longer a candidate.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 3:58pm EST

re: Answer this...

Answer this... wrote:
FP and LL, if Kushner was ordered to establish communication with Russia after the election, how does that not discredit the Trump/Russia election collusion narrative?
Where is the evidence of this collusion, if there was no contact before the election?

There was contact before the election, and then unauthorized contact after the election while Obama was still president...a violation of the Logan Act.

Trump is done.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:00pm EST

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Trump is done.

Really?? And who is going to remove him from office? Maybe a few Republicans will be open to it once they accomplish their life-long goal of shoving as much wealth upwards as they possibly can, but all available evidence suggests that they just won't give a sh*t no matter what terrible details emerge from Mueller's investigation. They are just as morally/intellectually bankrupt as this administration, if not more so. (At least Trump has an excuse! McConnell and Ryan aren't suffering from a degenerative brain disease.) Don't forget, McConnell knew about Russian interference before the election and threatened to attack Obama as a partisan if he went public.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:01pm EST

re: Answer this...

Answer this... wrote:
FP and LL, if Kushner was ordered to establish communication with Russia after the election, how does that not discredit the Trump/Russia election collusion narrative?
Where is the evidence of this collusion, if there was no contact before the election?

Did anyone say there was no contact before the election?

This is evidence of wrongdoing after the election and before the inauguration.

It doesn't mean there wasn't wrongdoing before the election well.

The Manfort connection may show the collusion before the election.

Manafort hasn't plead guilty (yet).

We have been told up this point by Trump that he was not part of the Russian meeting with Flynn.

We know this is a lie now.

Is it possible that Trump told other lies?

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:05pm EST

re: Answer this...

Answer this... wrote:
FP and LL, if Kushner was ordered to establish communication with Russia after the election, how does that not discredit the Trump/Russia election collusion narrative?
Where is the evidence of this collusion, if there was no contact before the election?

It happened in December after the election but before Trump took office.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:05pm EST

re: The Gallant Pig Man

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Trump is done.
Really?? And who is going to remove him from office? Maybe a few Republicans will be open to it once they accomplish their life-long goal of shoving as much wealth upwards as they possibly can, but all available evidence suggests that they just won't give a sh*t no matter what terrible details emerge from Mueller's investigation. They are just as morally/intellectually bankrupt as this administration, if not more so. (At least Trump has an excuse! McConnell and Ryan aren't suffering from a degenerative brain disease.) Don't forget, McConnell knew about Russian interference before the election and threatened to attack Obama as a partisan if he went public.

You are very mistaken here. The information to still come out will be bad enough that even bad Republicans will have to do it (and they aren't all bad)...there is no way they want to go up against Democrats while Trump is still in office for the 2018 mid term elections. They will do it to save themselves. There is no loyalty to Trump. Most of them are hoping it is so cut and dried that they finally have a reason to get rid of him.

The Logan Act has been broken.

Trump is done.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:36pm EST

re: Flagpole

Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.
That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.
Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.
To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:42pm EST

re: Flagpole

Flagpole was man enough come back after his bad prediction (yes, when its shown that Trump cheated, you will be fully exonerated and you can throw off the shackles of your past faulty prediction ).

Will "itsbaddude" and"rigged for hillary" and all the others who dismissed and laughed at the "fake news" of the Russian connection come back and admit they were wrong? I don't think so.

Already I noticed absence of their posts.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:44pm EST

re: Flagpole

Once again, the LRC lib echo chamber has reached the heights of irrational exhuberance. The only crime here is lying to the FBI by someone who lied to VP Pence and then got fired for it.

(On a side note, the lib mods banned m-a-g-a)

M.A.G.A.!!!

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:47pm EST

re: Flagpole

Flagpole wrote:
Answer this... wrote:
FP and LL, if Kushner was ordered to establish communication with Russia after the election, how does that not discredit the Trump/Russia election collusion narrative?
Where is the evidence of this collusion, if there was no contact before the election?
There was contact before the election, and then unauthorized contact after the election while Obama was still president...a violation of the Logan Act.
Trump is done.

Russia?❗️

FAGpole you are such a tool?❗️

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:52pm EST

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
Flagpole was man enough come back after his bad prediction (yes, when its shown that Trump cheated, you will be fully exonerated and you can throw off the shackles of your past faulty prediction ).
Will "itsbaddude" and"rigged for hillary" and all the others who dismissed and laughed at the "fake news" of the Russian connection come back and admit they were wrong? I don't think so.
Already I noticed absence of their posts.

What ever happened to DiscoGary? I guess even he tired of defending the indefensible.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:56pm EST

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
Flagpole was man enough come back after his bad prediction (yes, when its shown that Trump cheated, you will be fully exonerated and you can throw off the shackles of your past faulty prediction ).
Will "itsbaddude" and"rigged for hillary" and all the others who dismissed and laughed at the "fake news" of the Russian connection come back and admit they were wrong? I don't think so.
Already I noticed absence of their posts.

"Trump is Putin's puppet!" "Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election!"

This has been the MSM and liberal-minion claim for a year.

This has turned out to be BS... as we always knew.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 4:59pm EST

re: Rigged for Hillary

Michael Flynn, one of the hypocritical leaders of the "lock her up chant" just found out the meaning of bad karma.

Very ironic.

7 years ago 12/01/2017 5:01pm EST

re: Rigged for Hillary

Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Once again, the LRC lib echo chamber has reached the heights of irrational exhuberance. The only crime here is lying to the FBI by someone who lied to VP Pence and then got fired for it.
(On a side note, the lib mods banned m-a-g-a)
M.A.G.A.!!!

Can I assume you will come back if proven wrong?

7 years ago 12/01/2017 5:01pm EST

re: Conundrum

Conundrum wrote:
Michael Flynn, one of the hypocritical leaders of the "lock her up chant" just found out the meaning of bad karma.
Very ironic.

The Podesta Group... gone.

Manafort and Podesta partnership

tick tock

7 years ago 12/01/2017 5:14pm EST

re: It's not over...

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