RE: Cheating at Marathons

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For you math folks in the house. Her amazing 23 hr 100 miler pace was 13:48 min per mile including all stops, rests, gear changes, bathrooms, etc.

Simply one of the greatest athletic feats in modern sports history Two marathons the day before and one the very next day too! To run 100 miles minutes per mile faster than your marathon pace is surreal.

I am totally inspired by this woman. Can I donate money to her somewhere?

Things got bad for you when you entered ultra-land. Not everyone you cheated against looked the other way. This has now caught up to you in a bad way.

This amazing 23 hr hundo was probably what Chris found most impressive about PM and reason he allowed her a spot over "lesser qualified" ultra runners. He also must have been so impressed that he even promo'd the heck out of her in his BW feature video for all to see. Who has that link again?

Her other qualifying race was the now infamous 2013 Rocky 100 that she was recently been DQ'd from for cheating.

The loveboat is sinking.

Top left video link. It's like 15 min of Chris and PM, together promoting Badwater. AT&T Uverse Documentary.

Might explain why this is a bit embarrassing.

http://www.iranmarathons.com/parvaneh.html

Chris, you didn't know. People get fooled all the time. It wasn't just you. Bail from this and move on with getting your race back into Death Valley.

Don't be associated with this woman any longer.

23 hour 100 mile pace wrote:

For you math folks in the house. Her amazing 23 hr 100 miler pace was 13:48 min per mile including all stops, rests, gear changes, bathrooms, etc.

Simply one of the greatest athletic feats in modern sports history Two marathons the day before and one the very next day too! To run 100 miles minutes per mile faster than your marathon pace is surreal.

The only thing that is surreal is that you make up scenarios in hopes that they become facts.

Moayedi ran a 4:33 marathon in Houston in January 2013. That is a 10:25 marathon pace. That means the 100 miler was 3 minutes per mile slower than her marathon pace. You could expect her to run slower during the hundred since her legs fell off.

Split Time Diff min/mile miles/h

5K 00:31:38 31:38 10:11 5.89

10K 01:03:01 31:23 10:09 5.92

15K 01:34:04 31:03 10:06 5.95

20K 02:06:32 32:28 10:11 5.89

HALF 02:13:55 07:23 10:13 5.87

25K 02:39:35 25:40 10:17 5.84

30K 03:13:06 33:31 10:22 5.79

35K 03:46:14 33:08 10:25 5.77

40K 04:19:10 32:56 10:26 5.76

Finish Net 04:33:03 13:53 10:25 5.76

Check your facts. Repeating lies will not make them come true.

First time seeing that video. That's probably the reason why Chris Kostman is taking forever to decide on this situation. That video was already made so he's probably mulling over how to handle such a disastrous PR hit. But I hope he acts fast & accordingly. As great as Badwater is, this PM thing isn't going away and it gives BW135 & running races in general a bad name.

"Check your facts. Repeating lies will not make them come true."

^ I totally agree w/ what you said, because repeating lies will not make things come true...just ask PM, that's the very reason we're contesting these fake feats! Here's a fact you cannot contest: NUMBERS NEVER LIE! You expect us to believe your reasoning, that someone who ran two marathons in consecutive days can run a 23hrs 100miler in 13:48 pace? If you're a true runner, you'd know better. I just saw her BW video on her site and other videos showing her run. Seriously, I have yet to see her running in decent speed that looks like she can actually do these. She runs so slow & very heavy mechanics.

Verification ???

This runner's official time on 8.31 was 6:10:03 and he did it with his dog. His Facebook page has photos of a GPS track my run app which shows he did 8 loops and came in right at about 6:10 and did 27.47 miles instead of 26.2:

https://www.facebook.com/htoomey/media_set?set=a.10152670391227229.1073741977.588102228&type=1

the race even has hot chicks

https://www.facebook.com/IRanMarathons/photos/a.830538453647817.1073741850.329229270445407/847343611967301/?type=3&theater

Why is she posting 6-7 hour marathon times a few months later? PM is a walker.

Any time you want to demonstrate PM "moving" faster than a snails pace, please let us know so we can officially keep any eye on her. 4:30 marathoner? I don't think so. Perhaps we can dig into Houston and find massive cheating there too. Why would we not find more cheating there?People's marathon times don't vary by hours in a matter of months.

Oh, by the way, an ultra-runners 100 mile pace v. a marathon pace typically varies by well over 3 min per mile. Steve, you have zero idea what they heck you are talking about. So, how about you figure out what the hell YOU are talking about before opening you couch-bound mouth.

Here is some math based on some recent data from one of her own crew members (Daniel Santos-Costa) who actually does look like he is a runner, both marathons and ultras.

From Athlinks.

3:30 marathon/8:00 min miles (numerous 3:30 marathons the past few years)

25 hour 100-mile (recent PM race)/15:00 min miles

24 hour 100-mile (Keys 100)/14:24 min miles

These times and paces are typical for what the is known and acceptable.

Difference is 6-7 min per mile. This is based on real data. Yes, a real runner, that runs both competitive marathons and 100 mile ultras. Not some made up name, but some guy that appears to be in her inner circles. His numbers fit with what most of us know about the pace differential.

So, don't give me this crap about PM being in the acceptable range of 3 min per mile between her marathon and 100 mile paces. That is complete crap coming out of your mouth.

Great points! How can PM run a faster 100-miler than someone who is super fit & runs a fairly consistent 3:30 marathon like her friend. How is it that I feel I know better than PM and I just started running in 2012, still consider myself a newbie as I've ran both marathons & ultras since. Who exactly is PM trying to fool w/ these bogus finish times?

ok. I gotta give this random guy credit for cute pictures of his dog at the aid station. But who ever this guy is is not relevant. First of all, how did PM finish this race and take pics with him if she's running herself? We don't know.

The reality is, she cheats at her races, but as RD there is no higher authority to appeal to.

However, when she cheats at other races, such as RR100, she is DQd because the race director values the integrity of his race and the inegrity of those who earn finsiehs.

http://www.tejastrails.com/docs/Rocky_splits_2013.html

When she cheats at Badwater 135, and is witnessed doing so by at least 2 runners and several crew members,there is a higher authority to appeal to,the Badwater 135 RD. However, he does not seem to have a problem with cheaters. It's sad and disappointing. His lack of problem with Cheaters at Badwater 135 is something this thread is tyring to deal with.

He has not responded to the concerns of the witnesses who reported it. But, this thread my lead to pressure him to investigating the cheating accusations at Badwater 135/

I'm sure some of PMs runners really do show up and run the real race. but a lot don't appear to have done the same.

23 hour 100 mile pace wrote:

Simply one of the greatest athletic feats in modern sports history Two marathons the day before and one the very next day too! To run 100 miles minutes per mile faster than your marathon pace is surreal.

I am totally inspired by this woman. Can I donate money to her somewhere?

Yes my son, please go to the bottom of the homepage, there you will find a 'Donate' link, please click on this and feel free to make a secure donation using credit card.

You can rest assured that any donation will be well spent as PM is definitely NOT in this to make money for personal gain.

so the guy with the dog ran wrote:

I'm sure some of PMs runners really do show up and run the real race. but a lot don't appear to have done the same.

Could that tiny dog really run a marathon? I'm honestly curious, I don't know anything about what kinds of dogs are good at running. Maybe he pushed it in a stroller part of the way or something.

so the guy with the dog ran wrote:

Could that tiny dog really run a marathon? I'm honestly curious, I don't know anything about what kinds of dogs are good at running. Maybe he pushed it in a stroller part of the way or something.

Now someone accuses a dog of cheating.

I think that dog also ran the entire Irving Marathon last spring at around 4:30. He is probably in the 50 States Club and a marathon maniac.

reader wrote:

so the guy with the dog ran wrote:

I'm sure some of PMs runners really do show up and run the real race. but a lot don't appear to have done the same.

Could that tiny dog really run a marathon? I'm honestly curious, I don't know anything about what kinds of dogs are good at running. Maybe he pushed it in a stroller part of the way or something.

are you saying the dog cheated????

it can be done, but shouldn't be done without lots of water

Not only that, but leading up to her unbelievable weekend of:

5/3/13AM marathon 5:00:00 (great perfect even time)

5/3/13PM marathon 5:45:00 (great perfect even time)

5/4/13 100 MILER 23:00 (great perfect even time)

5/5/13 marathon 7:00:00 (great perfect even time)

she was running marathons/ultras (two a day some weekends***) for weeks/months either side of this magnificent weekend (see athlinks link below).

So this would make Steve's assertion regarding acceptable differentials between marathon and hundo even more unbelievable considering lack of taper/recovery before and after, in fact totally unbelievable.

*** I particularly liked these leading up to the Hundo:

Same day:

I Ran Marathons Double Devil 6666 Harker 4/20/2013 5:15:00

I Ran Marathons TGIF April Double 4/20/2013 5:15:00

And the Quad weekend (note the 50miler), she got quicker as it went on, amazing:

I Ran Marathons Good Friday 3/29/2013 6:45:00

I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 2 (50 Mile) 3/30/2013 9:55:00

I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 3 3/31/2013 4:45:00

I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 4 4/1/2013 4:31:00