Let's talk Ohio HS XC

St X always seems to have guys missing in meets before the championship season

http://www.tullyrunners.com/articles/Updated-Track-Speed-Rate-Chart.htm

According to this Gabelman’s 14:50 is worth a 14:45 on a track

If you saw the hills on that course, you'd know that's a BS calculation. If it's 4985 wheeled "as short as possible", as the coach says, I'd say Gabelman can go 14:30-35 on the track. Which, for a 4:07 1600 guy, is very doable.

Worded incorrectly. It's "worth" a 14:30-35.

Looks like Grace Hartman had a great race for NC State at Joe Piane(ND Invite). They had a few other top runners out including Tuohy.

Anyone have official team scores from Berlin?

It looks like Dub. Coffman may have won, but hard to tell with the way the race results are formatted. I didn’t see team scores.

WK: 164?

2, 10, 25, 61, 66, (84), (85)

WN: 116?

1, 15, 29, 32, 39, (73), (92)

DC: 97?

8, 12, 21, 22, 34, (38), (53)

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Berlin Bear Den Dash Live Results

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Results are official now.

1. Coffman - 97

2. North - 116

3. Kilbourne - 163

4. Orange - 164

Impressive win by Coffman. North is beginning to slide like they have in previous years. We’ll see how they’re doing in 2 weeks. Not the best day from Kilbourne, yet they still beat Orange. Smith ran normal, and Miller continues to improve, but everyone else looked out of rhythm today. Had they ran how they did last week they would have had a shot at North. That OCC battle is gonna be fun to watch. North still the favorite but like I said, they’re starting to slide and if Kilbourne can capitalize then we could see an upset.

Jackson with a pretty comfortable win at their county meet. 3-7 spread of less than 8 seconds. They'll probably need a few of them to run a bit faster if they're to win at Obetz, but we probably won't learn much more about them until then (NEO isn't as competitive as Central/SW Ohio).

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Stark County XC Championship 2023 - HS Varsity Boys All Results (Raw)

MileSplits official HS Varsity Boys All Results raw results for the 2023 Stark County XC Championship, hosted by GlenOak in Canton OH.

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Gabelman made VERY easy work of Landon Kimmel (he of 14:42 Valkerie fame), Luke Snyder (15:02 Wooster) and Thomas McMahon (winner at MSU, beating Richuitti and those MI studs).

I'll say it... I think Gabelman could be the best in the Midwest. I mean, Kimmel came within a fraction of a second of beating Indiana's Will Conway. And, as stated, McMahon rolled Seth Norder from MI.

And Gabelman made both of these guys look like JV runners. Kimmel stupidly went out crazy leading in 4:40 (did you really think you going to run away with it?) and McMahon was never in contact with the leaders at all.

Smith also with another solid race, but Gabelman is just on a different level. I think he may even be better than Ackley was last year.

This is 2 weeks in a row now where a runner has tried to run away from Gabelman and Smith. Walton last week, and Kimmel this week. Makes no sense. Like you would think that a coach or somebody would be telling these runners “hey, that Gabelman dude is pretty good” and they would avoid going out in 4:40. On the other hand maybe I need to cut some slack for Kimmel, he’s only a sophomore and truthfully doesn’t have a ton of experience against competition like this.

I was just going to comment on Jackson's performance. They were impressive but I agree that the 3-7 pack needs to tighten up a bit to the 1 & 2.

I'll agree that NE Ohio isn't as competitive as Central Ohio but this year it is as competitive as SW Ohio if not more so at D1. At D2 NE Ohio is the most competitive area of Ohio by far. D3 is pretty dispersed throughout the state.

Speaking of D2, Marlington did a good job beating Minerva in the Stark D2 & D3 meet. They also need to tighten up. I don't believe that Marlington can beat Woodridge this year.

What is up with East Canton? They were down in 6th place with 174 points. Not too long ago it was a really strong program.

How do Marlington and Woodridge match up with Fairfield Union?

Fair enough with regards to the strength of NEO. My thoughts were that Central is obviously the deepest this year (D1-wise) and that SW has a stronger 1-2 punch (Mason-St. X) than NEO. But who knows, maybe Chardon or Medina (or whoever else steps up as the #2 NEO team) will be closer to St. X at Obetz than I'm expecting. I expect Massillon Jackson to win somewhat comfortably each week from now through regionals, though.

Wow! Very impressive win by Coffman. Sad to see the late slide so many predicted for North is coming true

Walton trying this is actually very good coaching. He is DII and has faced very little competition. He's a junior and I believe it will help his long-term development to "go for it", even if over his current head. Limits have to be found in competitive situations outside of practice and training/racing can take a more calculated approach once things like this are discovered. So, in my opinion, in this case, it makes a lot of sense.

Did you watch the race? Walton went out in like 65/2:15. Good coaching?

Yeah I’m on your side with this one. He only finished 8 seconds behind Gabelman, probably should have saved more juice for the end. And perhaps we still aren’t giving the coaches enough credit. Walton doesn’t have much experience against D1 talent like Gabelman and Smith, so it perhaps was just a lack of awareness on his part. Still a hell of a runner. I’d pick him over Cernansky right now for D2 champion

I did not watch the race.

I trust Rob Myers perspective and guidance.

62/2:15 is obviously reckless, but now he can dial it back and find the sweet spot. Sometimes finding those parameters is what development takes, even at the cost of a po-dunk early-mid season invitational. Learning these things for postseason and possibly national meets next year and into the future are more valuable than many immediately realize.

I am not suggesting your initial perspective that it is immediately a step back is wrong. But to develop a young, competitive, potentially very talented runner sometimes takes all sorts of approaches to develop parameters. A step back to move two forward so-to-speak.