I actually agree with Jr here.
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What else is new? Trump is against the US Consitution.
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Fun to watch DeSantis desperately trying to get to the right of Trump. There are a handful of donors that had hoped that DeSantis would be a less insane, more moderate Trump but because DeSantis really has no policies other than copy Trump's grievance schtick, it is making DeSantis look like an idiot. Trump will destroy him if you want to play Trump's grievance game.
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idiocy detector wrote:
Fun to watch DeSantis desperately trying to get to the right of Trump. There are a handful of donors that had hoped that DeSantis would be a less insane, more moderate Trump but because DeSantis really has no policies other than copy Trump's grievance schtick, it is making DeSantis look like an idiot. Trump will destroy him if you want to play Trump's grievance game.
I think DeSantis played it wrong and he can't correct it now. He's not going to win over any of the Trump base...you know...the voters who's collective name begins with an M followed by an A followed by a G and followed lastly by another A. There's no chance.
However he's positioned himself as attempting to do just that which will lock in a loss.
He should have run a little more from the center and he may have picked up the center right, independents and some center left who don't like Biden (in a general election).
Problem there is would there be enough votes for DeSantis to with the primary with that strategy? Maybe not but I think there's a bigger chance with that strategy than trying to out Trump Trump.
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Ronald Dump wrote:
idiocy detector wrote:
Fun to watch DeSantis desperately trying to get to the right of Trump. There are a handful of donors that had hoped that DeSantis would be a less insane, more moderate Trump but because DeSantis really has no policies other than copy Trump's grievance schtick, it is making DeSantis look like an idiot. Trump will destroy him if you want to play Trump's grievance game.
I think DeSantis played it wrong and he can't correct it now. He's not going to win over any of the Trump base...you know...the voters who's collective name begins with an M followed by an A followed by a G and followed lastly by another A. There's no chance.
However he's positioned himself as attempting to do just that which will lock in a loss.
He should have run a little more from the center and he may have picked up the center right, independents and some center left who don't like Biden (in a general election).
Problem there is would there be enough votes for DeSantis to with the primary with that strategy? Maybe not but I think there's a bigger chance with that strategy than trying to out Trump Trump.
Even though he won in Florida, he has no effective national political instincts. Republican big money was planning on DeSantis saving the Republican party after Trump is savaged by all his increasing legal problems.
DeSantis with his extreme ideas and unlikeable personality will not save the Republican party. There are others who could save the party, but its not DeSantis. The more people know about DeSantis the more they hate him.
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If DeSantis really wants to see where Woke goes to die, he could follow the lead of Uganda. He seems to be headed that way anyway.
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Conundrum wrote:
Ronald Dump wrote:
I think DeSantis played it wrong and he can't correct it now. He's not going to win over any of the Trump base...you know...the voters who's collective name begins with an M followed by an A followed by a G and followed lastly by another A. There's no chance.
However he's positioned himself as attempting to do just that which will lock in a loss.
He should have run a little more from the center and he may have picked up the center right, independents and some center left who don't like Biden (in a general election).
Problem there is would there be enough votes for DeSantis to with the primary with that strategy? Maybe not but I think there's a bigger chance with that strategy than trying to out Trump Trump.
Even though he won in Florida, he has no effective national political instincts. Republican big money was planning on DeSantis saving the Republican party after Trump is savaged by all his increasing legal problems.
DeSantis with his extreme ideas and unlikeable personality will not save the Republican party. There are others who could save the party, but its not DeSantis. The more people know about DeSantis the more they hate him.
You know literally nothing about DeSantis that wasn't relayed to you by one of his detractors. Surely, you're clever enough to figure out why you might not have a real understanding of who DeSantis is.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
What else is new? Trump is against the US [Constitution].
Sure, because all it takes is an executive order to annul the 14th Amendment. Suuuure.
Although, to be fair, Trump isn't the only one who's played that demagogic game. Let's remember that half the country, and about half the voters, have two-digit IQs--if DJT and other national-level pols say that POTUS has that power, a lot of the electorate will buy it.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Even though he won in Florida, he has no effective national political instincts. Republican big money was planning on DeSantis saving the Republican party after Trump is savaged by all his increasing legal problems.
DeSantis with his extreme ideas and unlikeable personality will not save the Republican party. There are others who could save the party, but its not DeSantis. The more people know about DeSantis the more they hate him.
You know literally nothing about DeSantis that wasn't relayed to you by one of his detractors. Surely, you're clever enough to figure out why you might not have a real understanding of who DeSantis is.
Most of what I know about DeSantis is based upon what I heard......... from DeSantis.
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Conundrum wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You know literally nothing about DeSantis that wasn't relayed to you by one of his detractors. Surely, you're clever enough to figure out why you might not have a real understanding of who DeSantis is.
Most of what I know about DeSantis is based upon what I heard......... from DeSantis.
I know M^GA supported him to get him elected and that ship has sailed. so, there’s that.
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Conundrum wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You know literally nothing about DeSantis that wasn't relayed to you by one of his detractors. Surely, you're clever enough to figure out why you might not have a real understanding of who DeSantis is.
Most of what I know about DeSantis is based upon what I heard......... from DeSantis.
Then you should be able to name just two "extreme ideas" you've heard him espouse personally and not some caricature of his view you heard from someone else.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
What else is new? Trump is against the US Consitution.
I am not a Trumper, but this provision should never been enacted in the first place. You are what your parents were. If you are still here at 18 you can be a citizen.
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ih8fetterman wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
What else is new? Trump is against the US Consitution.
I am not a Trumper, but this provision should never been enacted in the first place. You are what your parents were. If you are still here at 18 you can be a citizen.
Only the dumbest people in society think having birth right citizenship concurrently with an open border in a welfare state is a good idea.
If Hispanics voted 70-30 Republican instead of the other way around Democrats would be fund raising to lay minefields and dig machine gun pits in front of the 500 foot wall they built on the border.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
ih8fetterman wrote:
I am not a Trumper, but this provision should never been enacted in the first place. You are what your parents were. If you are still here at 18 you can be a citizen.
Only the dumbest people in society think having birth right citizenship concurrently with an open border in a welfare state is a good idea.
If Hispanics voted 70-30 Republican instead of the other way around Democrats would be fund raising to lay minefields and dig machine gun pits in front of the 500 foot wall they built on the border.
Does this reasoning work for you, Adult? Enough originalism for you? Re; Dred Scott. Although now that you want to toss out the 14th Amendment maybe you have become a fan of judicial activism, like the leader of the Republicans who famously wants to suspend the Constitution!
The question is simply this: Can a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves, become a member of the political community formed and brought into existence by the Constitution of the United States, and as such become entitled to all of the rights, and privileges, and immunities, guarantied [sic] by that instrument to the citizen?
— Dred Scott, 60 U.S. at 403.In answer, the Court ruled that they could not. It held that black people could not be American citizens, and therefore a lawsuit to which they were a party could never qualify for the "diversity of citizenship" that Article III of the Constitution requires for American federal courts to have jurisdiction over cases that do not involve federal questions.[17]
The primary rationale for the Court's ruling was (Chief Justice) Taney's assertion that black African slaves and their descendants were never intended to be part of the American social and political landscape.[17]
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agip wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Only the dumbest people in society think having birth right citizenship concurrently with an open border in a welfare state is a good idea.
If Hispanics voted 70-30 Republican instead of the other way around Democrats would be fund raising to lay minefields and dig machine gun pits in front of the 500 foot wall they built on the border.
Does this reasoning work for you, Adult? Enough originalism for you? Re; Dred Scott. Although now that you want to toss out the 14th Amendment maybe you have become a fan of judicial activism, like the leader of the Republicans who famously wants to suspend the Constitution!
The question is simply this: Can a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves, become a member of the political community formed and brought into existence by the Constitution of the United States, and as such become entitled to all of the rights, and privileges, and immunities, guarantied [sic] by that instrument to the citizen?
— Dred Scott, 60 U.S. at 403.In answer, the Court ruled that they could not. It held that black people could not be American citizens, and therefore a lawsuit to which they were a party could never qualify for the "diversity of citizenship" that Article III of the Constitution requires for American federal courts to have jurisdiction over cases that do not involve federal questions.[17]
The primary rationale for the Court's ruling was (Chief Justice) Taney's assertion that black African slaves and their descendants were never intended to be part of the American social and political landscape.[17]
Black men were in the colonies. If the founders wanted to exclude them forever they would have written "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all white men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
They didn't.
What a racist Democrat court ruled in the 1850s has nothing to do with originalism.
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Lock him up!
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An anguished question from a Trump supporter: ‘Why do liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?’
THE SERIOUS ANSWER: Here’s what the majority of anti-Trump voters honestly feel about Trump supporters en masse:
That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../trump-university.../502387002/)
That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay." (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-hotel-paid-millions...)
That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem." (https://abcnews.go.com/.../list-trumps-accusers.../story...)
That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-trumps.../)
That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you exclaimed, "He sure knows me." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../president-donald.../4073405002/)
That when you heard him relating a story of an elderly guest of his country club, an 80-year old man, who fell off a stage and hit his head, to Trump replied: “‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away. I couldn’t—you know, he was right in front of me, and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him. He was bleeding all over the place. And I felt terrible, because it was a beautiful white marble floor, and now it had changed color. Became very red.” You said, "That's cool!" ()
That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw. (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../donald-trump-criticized-after...)
That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?" (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../americas-first.../549794/)
That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense." (https://www.usatoday.com/.../what-trump-has.../1501321001/)
That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, "Yes!" (https://www.latimes.com/.../la-na-trump-campaign-protests...)
That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!" (https://www.independent.co.uk/.../donald-trump-orders...)
That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!" (https://www.theatlantic.com/.../why-cant-trump.../567320/)
That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be." (https://www.huffpost.com/.../trump-insult-foreign...)
That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!" (https://www.politico.com/.../138-trump-policy-changes...)
That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!" (https://www.usnews.com/.../how-is-donald-trump-profiting...)
That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../the-very-big-ocean.../)
That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!" (https://www.cnn.com/.../donald-trump-dictators.../index.html)
That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas - he explains that they’re just “animals” - and you say, “Well, OK then.” (https://www.nbcnews.com/.../more-5-400-children-split...)
That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MA'GA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise. (https://www.americanprogress.org/.../confronting-cost.../)
What you don't get, Trump supporters, is that our succumbing to frustration and shaking our heads, thinking of you as stupid, may very well be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also...hear me...charitable.
Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.
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but but but what about Hillary's emails and pantsuit!?
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“ I think DeSantis played it wrong and he can't correct it now. He's not going to win over any of the Trump base...you know...the voters who's collective name begins with an M followed by an A followed by a G and followed lastly by another A. There's no chance.”
100% correct. same is true for the others. It’s a political movement now, much stronger than the GOP (who helped Biden). Outsiders vs Insiders.
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