If anyone needs some Xmas cheer, here's an opinion piece on why Trump is going to be indicted by the Feds and probably in a state or two also.
One-man crime wave.
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Ronald Dump wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Not me saying it ... Forbes magazine.
Donald Trump is Worth $3.2 Billion
Trump’s net worth is $3.2 billion as of September 2022, with $730 million coming from his social media endeavor Truth Social via the Trump Media and Technology Group, Forbes reported. Trump announced the formation of the platform in October 2021 and launched it in February 2022. As of Nov. 16, 2022, Trump had 4.55 million followers.
Trump had climbed a few steps up Forbes’ billionaire’s list ladder, placing 892 in the world as of November 2022, up from his 1,012 ranking in June of the same year.You've never quite understood that Donald Trump's net worth is based on what he says it is and nothing much more.
Trump's wealth is not what he says. There are public records and very respected financial groups saying he is worth $3.2 billion. Do you not understand this?
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agip wrote:
If anyone needs some Xmas cheer, here's an opinion piece on why Trump is going to be indicted by the Feds and probably in a state or two also.
One-man crime wave.
Agip - LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just outdid yourself. That crap you posted has the most pathetic partisan hacks you will everfind! LOL. Maya Wiley LOL. Chris Hayes - LOL. Andrew Weismann - LOL. I really can't believe you would post that stuff from the most partisan hacks ever in the MSNBC ranks- AGip- you can do better. Please do better. That was embarrassing.
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Portland Runner wrote:
Maybe Wejo was under that pile of Duke girls?
I stated that it is an opinion piece.
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Sally Vix wrote:
Ronald Dump wrote:
You've never quite understood that Donald Trump's net worth is based on what he says it is and nothing much more.
Trump's wealth is not what he says. There are public records and very respected financial groups saying he is worth $3.2 billion. Do you not understand this?
The only person who doesn't understand anything about Donald Trump is you.
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agip wrote:
Portland Runner wrote:
Maybe Wejo was under that pile of Duke girls?
I stated that it is an opinion piece.
jaysus there is a glitch in the lrc matrix. I was replying to sally's statement that I was citing an opinion piece.
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Cassidy Hutchenson testified under oath that Mark Meadows. (Trump COS) would casually burn documents in the fireplace while having small talk with Scott Perry about election fraud.
Normal stuff right?
But her emails...Amirite?
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
agip wrote:
. . . Honestly I'd prefer a state to do the prosecution not the feds...We all know the first Republican president will pardon trump for any and all federal crimes he did or ever will do. The GOP will give trump a get out of jail free card. The GOP is an organized crime operation, after all. They tried a coup just last year!I wouldn't be surprised to see a Democrat president or governor pardon Trump or commute his sentence should it come to that. In a democracy, it's a really bad look to be jailing former presidents no matter how richly they deserve it.
To preserve democracy it ultimately must be the voters who reject bad actors.
No. These are arguments you'd make about a President who maybe did shady and/or not atrocious things around the margins. And, more depressingly, arguments you'd make if you had a citizenry that was honest and principled enough to hold clearly-criminal elected officials responsible at the ballot box. We clearly don't have that.
Donald Trump made detecting his criminality REALLY, REALLY easy ("Just find me 11K votes," etc., etc.). And roughly one half of the country WON'T hold him accountable for it.
First off, holding him accountable (for significant illegality) is simply the right thing to do in a supposed nation of laws. Perhaps more importantly, if you don't, you almost certainly will get more of it in the future. It's 100% guaranteed from him - on steroids - if he wins again. And he's NOT the only bad person who will learn useful lessons from Trump having gotten away with things.
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ih8fetterman wrote:
Actually, have any of you posters actually shook hands with or had a picture taken with a President or former President? I met one of my Senators once, but not my representative or governor.
I was a member of Richard Nixon's first class of Presidential Scholars. Spiro Agnew, the VP, subbed for RMN, who was out of town, so I ended up shaking Spiro's hand. And I have a picture of it.
But that's it.
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Conundrum wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Do you really think that Forbes and other highly respectable financial groups ask Donald Trump, Jeff Bezos, larry ellison, Zuckerberg - Hey "what is your net worth" and they report whatever they say??? Come on dude ... they look at public records, look at their debt and look at everthing else and come up with a new worth?
Yes he has lied about his wealth to be placed on Forbes list and it worked.
needs repeating for some.
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nonequals wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see a Democrat president or governor pardon Trump or commute his sentence should it come to that. In a democracy, it's a really bad look to be jailing former presidents no matter how richly they deserve it.
To preserve democracy it ultimately must be the voters who reject bad actors.
No. These are arguments you'd make about a President who maybe did shady and/or not atrocious things around the margins. And, more depressingly, arguments you'd make if you had a citizenry that was honest and principled enough to hold clearly-criminal elected officials responsible at the ballot box. We clearly don't have that.
Donald Trump made detecting his criminality REALLY, REALLY easy ("Just find me 11K votes," etc., etc.). And roughly one half of the country WON'T hold him accountable for it.
First off, holding him accountable (for significant illegality) is simply the right thing to do in a supposed nation of laws. Perhaps more importantly, if you don't, you almost certainly will get more of it in the future. It's 100% guaranteed from him - on steroids - if he wins again. And he's NOT the only bad person who will learn useful lessons from Trump having gotten away with things.
Fair points.
The dilemma is how to get (back?) to a "citizenry that is honest and principled enough to hold clearly-criminal elected officials responsible at the ballot box". Without that, there is no democracy to save.
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What, THIS is what Trump was crowing about? Wow, some "win."
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Well, they released Trump's taxes. Looks like he lost money 4 or 5 of the last 6 years.
He also showed $0 charitable contributions. I thought he was donating his presidential salary to charity?
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Nancy R. wrote:
He also showed $0 charitable contributions. I thought he was donating his presidential salary to charity?
Gosh. President Trump might have lied about that.
Shocker.
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But, in fairness, there appears to be considerable evidence that he *did* donate something like $400k+ per annum, at least in some years.
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
nonequals wrote:
No. These are arguments you'd make about a President who maybe did shady and/or not atrocious things around the margins. And, more depressingly, arguments you'd make if you had a citizenry that was honest and principled enough to hold clearly-criminal elected officials responsible at the ballot box. We clearly don't have that.
Donald Trump made detecting his criminality REALLY, REALLY easy ("Just find me 11K votes," etc., etc.). And roughly one half of the country WON'T hold him accountable for it.
First off, holding him accountable (for significant illegality) is simply the right thing to do in a supposed nation of laws. Perhaps more importantly, if you don't, you almost certainly will get more of it in the future. It's 100% guaranteed from him - on steroids - if he wins again. And he's NOT the only bad person who will learn useful lessons from Trump having gotten away with things.
Fair points.
The dilemma is how to get (back?) to a "citizenry that is honest and principled enough to hold clearly-criminal elected officials responsible at the ballot box". Without that, there is no democracy to save.
Perhaps that’s the $64,000 question. And yes, I have no clue.
It’s really hard to imagine R voters acting that way anytime in the foreseeable future. If they’ve seen what they’ve seen for the last ~6 years and haven’t yet seen the light, impossible to imagine what might do that. EXCEPT, perhaps - as many have suggested/hoped, I believe - LOSING. If full-on Trumper candidates can’t win, one would presume the Rs would get smart enough not to nominate them. After all of the losses of ‘22, perhaps ‘24 will tell us a lot of in that respect?
But geez, as much as I hope for that, how relatively unsatisfying that is. As in, “Roughly 40% of your fellow citizens would PREFER an autocrat (or someone still pretty horrid short of that), but…will reluctantly support someone less extreme because they basically have to if they want their tribe represented.“
And even if that more optimistic outcome comes to pass, there’s still the question of just how far down the Trumper spectrum you’d need to be? DeSantis may not be Trump, but this middle-aged guy who spent most of his pre-Trump years rooting for the Rs would view a future full of DeSantis douchbags Rs with great, great disgust. They make someone as relatively unimpressive as GW Bush look damn near awesome.
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I'm paying my estimated taxes today and very very angry at Trump for lying to escape paying taxes his whole life. Such an un-American selfish criminal b/stard.
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agip wrote:
I'm paying my estimated taxes today and very very angry at Trump for lying to escape paying taxes his whole life. Such an un-American selfish criminal b/stard.
Its pretty clear why some Republicans, such as Trump, fight so hard to reduce IRS funding so that they can not enforce tax laws.
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Just a president of the United States threatening the GA Secretary of State if he didn’t ‘find’ 11,000 votes for trump.
raffensberger testified under oath that he interpreted trump to be threatening him with m’aga violence.
I’d be surprised at this point if trump weren’t indicted in jojalaw and order conservatives!
In sworn testimony to J6 Committee, Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger states he considered Trump to be making a threat of physical violence (via Trump followers) if he did not "find the 11,780 votes."
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