NAIA XC/TF 2024-25

Sour Grapes,

Respectfully, zip it up and clean off your chin, respectfully. The way he acts you’d think he was God’s gift to track and field. Guy buys talent and can’t develop it. There was an underlying reason the venue went wild for the DMR and 4x4 it was because Fumberlands lost.
#EliminateTheRaceWalk

interesting I didn’t know they were the only team that was giving out scholarships and/buying.

well, I did what you said I checked tffrs and world athletics and it appears your response is lazy and you were hoping people wouldn’t actually do the research. improvement is when you lower times in the sport in the running events anyway. so you’re so-called facts are wrong and you sound creepy

Any updates on runner who was taken off on a stretcher?

The prelim and finals really impacted the bad boy of racewalk. Same as when he had to do the 5k dude is just not in good enough shape for that amount of volume

I do hope they have the same set up for outdoor at least at that point it forces the walkers to actually be in shape a little

I despise Cumberlands and was so happy when they lost the DMR because Asslouj celebrated too soon. Everyone was glad that Cumberlands didn't win the men's team title.

The men's 5000m final was a big scandal, the whole facility was against Madeo and his show after he kicked out Fullerton was disrespectful and should be disqualified! Afterwards Madeo also made insulting comments and gestures against Milligan and Taylor athletes, who supported Fullerton.

I'm always amazed how Cumberlands is in most of the posters heads on here. Madeo celebrated a win and him and Fullerton embraced each other after it. Stop making false narratives up. Marion beat them fair and square and both teams loved on each other. Go Buffs

what is everyone’s thoughts on the meet in general? Was it better with lower numbers? Did you like it in Gainesville? Was the facility good enough? What would you do differently moving forward with numbers?

I was told by someone in the know that they want to lower the numbers even more.

I still think you dump pre-limbs in the DMR in the 4 x 8. Definitely dump a pre-limb to the 5K maybe even the 3K. The race walk officials need to be better too many mistakes on the officials end and took too long to determine who won. They did a terrible job of informing the walkers during the race individual card situation. you can hate the event or love the event, but we all agree. No matter the event it’s gotta be officiated properly. easy thing is to dump it, but I’m not trying to start ruining the chat on that angle. so please respond with constructive feedback.

what is everyone’s thoughts on the meet in general? Was it better with lower numbers? Did you like it in Gainesville? Was the facility good enough? What would you do differently moving forward with numbers?

I was told by someone in the know that they want to lower the numbers even more.

I still think you dump prelim in the DMR in the 4 x 8. Definitely dump a prelim to the 5K maybe even the 3K. The race walk officials need to be better too many mistakes on the officials end and took too long to determine who won. They did a terrible job of informing the walkers during the race individual card situation. you can hate the event or love the event, but we all agree. No matter the event it’s gotta be officiated properly. easy thing is to dump it, but I’m not trying to start ruining the chat on that angle. so please respond with constructive feedback.

Why do I get the feeling that this is Luca Madeo every time I see one of these posts

4x8 prelims need to stay. No reason to dump that. If we just did 4 different timed finals for the 4x8 it would’ve come out totally different. The fast heat would be pretty much all Crossroads teams and you’d see a lot of teams who aren’t running their top 4 (like Dordt) who end up making that fast heat.

5k and 3k are debatable, I think we ended up getting the best 12 5k and 3k runners in the final this year because of the prelim.

Maybe just take the top 16 in the 4 x 8 have two heats of eight. that’s how they used to do it back in the day. or just take the top 12 have a waterfall start and go at it. I dumped the 600 and 1000 as well. The closer we mirror the NCAA, probably the better. I’m just saying that to eliminate any lame excuse NCAA schools may use against us.

Retaining prelims for 5K and 3k eliminates everyone doubling in those two events. Keep them. I thought the facility was fantastic, better than expected. Tons of food options around the venue and thought it was overall more competitive with lower numbers. They need to get rid of the student athlete experience. It has jumped the shark. Let's force 500 people to stand outside in 80 degrees and only honor the champions of character, not regional athletes or coaches. Honor everyone or no one moving forward.

Still doesn’t address the problem.

There aren’t that many big or competitive meets with a 4x8. Some of these teams qualify at their conference meet with barely any competition, while there are a handful of other schools that either have a competitive conference meet or were able to find a meet with a good 4x8.

Limiting it to 12 or 16 doesn’t solve the problem. The #1, #2, and #7 teams heading in didn’t make a final for one reason or another.

Dumping the 600 and 1k might make the 800 itself more competitive but what’s the point? Why should we just turn into NCAA D4, think the 600, 4x8, and 1k are some of the few positive unique things about the NAIA.

The student athlete experience was better a few years ago.

We should go back to making it a banquet style event. Instead of spending money on performers we should do what we did for XC nationals and have a guest speaker that is relevant to XC/TF come and speak, maybe do a hall of fame induction thing when possible. Only complaint about the banquets from the past wad that usually the food was pretty bad. But if we’re making everyone eat IWU’s cafeteria food, then I don’t think that how good or bad the food tastes is a major concern.

Scheduling it around dinner time the night before the national meet without serving food is also ridiculous. It’s a busy week as is, no need to make it even harder on coaches to schedule.

The teaming up for character event was for a better cause this time around, but for cross country it was a complete waste of time as well.

The qualifying standards and prelims for everything are just fine.
We don’t need people flying around the country week to week looking for the one meet they need to defend their top 16 spot. We don’t need people skipping their conference meet to go hit a standard somewhere else. Top 16 only without prelims also biases qualification toward schools who are able to attend high profile meets either by spending the money or being geographically close.

The meet was fun, had plenty of exciting and interesting moments, and gave tons of people a great experience. It didn’t feel watered down in any way. Quit trying to fix something that isn’t broken.

The point is to lower numbers that's what I was told NAIA still wants to do with track. Dropping those odd events is just an idea to make the meet better quality. The banquet wouid be nice

Only having 12 means no prelim which makes the event better. Especially if we still have 400, 600,800,1000, mile. Its dumb having all of those. Lets add standing broad jump to be unique lol

Overall i agree with your thoughts. I just know for fact NAIA wants it to still be smaller. So the question is how will they do it? Indoor track is expensive and trying to Lower cost.