Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

Ok, FP, ok

...and you won this argument, hands down.

CORRECT!

agip wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

You were right. I thought he had enough to humilty to admit that his statement "the new variant is actually a GOOD thing" was incorrect now that Fauci (whom he cites as the family expert) explictity said otherwise.

My apologies to everyone for starting this up again.

apology accepted.

I'll offer mine for taking the bait.

good gawd.

You'd better be right about it if you call me out for being wrong. You weren't.

no, no we agree FP

the more people who get covid, the fewer deaths we'll have.

You nailed it, you predicted it!

Well done!

agip wrote:

no, no we agree FP

the more people who get covid, the fewer deaths we'll have.

You nailed it, you predicted it!

Well done!

Nope. That is not what I said. Sorry.

agip wrote:

right, we're fighting over the definition of 'good.' as I predicted.

FP seems to be saying 'If one individual had to choose between the old covid and the new more contagious covid, then she should choose the new one.'

Everyone else on the planet is saying something different. We all understand that a more contagious covid strain means more cases and therefore more total deaths.

lame argument.

A generous interpretation would be that Flagpole (or his wife) is talking about virus mutations in general. As I understand it, a sound rule of thumb, but not an iron rule, is that viruses that quickly kill their hosts have problems spreading. I'm not sure how applicable this is to Covid-19 because is not nearly so universally or quickly fatal to its host that it can't spread even if it were several times more deadly.

In the case of this specific mutation, the information from a couple weeks ago was that there was insufficient data to say whether it is more or less deadly than the original strain. Emerging data suggests that the new strain is somewhat more deadly, albeit with large uncertainty.

In light of actual case data, I don't know why anyone would fall back on broad generalities, so it's time for FP to admit the generality seems not to apply to this specific case.

agip wrote:

no, no we agree FP

the more people who get covid, the fewer deaths we'll have.

You nailed it, you predicted it!

Well done!

Yep. FP was right. Even Fauci agrees with Flagpole that the new variant is "a GOOD thing." See:

Fauci: "Because the more cases you get, even though on a one to one basis, it's not more virulent—meaning it doesn't make you more sick or more likely to die—just by numbers alone, the more cases you have, the more hospitalizations you're going to have. And the more hospitalizations you have, the more deaths you're going to have."

In news of the outrageous ... The Supreme Court has canned all emoluments lawsuits against Trump because they moot since Trump is not longer POTUS. And while Trump was POTUS he could not be successfully sued because a sitting president cannot be indicted. Now, future presidents can ignore the emolument rules because all they have to do is stop being the president to get their "get out of jail free card."

https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-dismisses-trump-emoluments-150540663.html

agip wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

Report that House will send article of impeachment to the Senate this evening.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/960130551/house-poised-to-transmit-article-of-impeachment-against-trump-to-senate

The public evidence doesn't seem to be sufficient to sway enough Republicans to convict and I don't see why they'd do this unless they felt there was a good chance of conviction.

This suggests that there is non-public evidence from investigations that they think is more compelling. I guess we can't rule out that the handlers are making a serious blunder, bringing a case that isn't sufficient to break the partisan's lines.

you are being too cynical

the dems are trying to do the right thing

to tell trump and other future presidents that they will be punished if they pull this stuff again.

I agree that the dems have concluded that Trump really did violate his oath of office and attached the constitution. They regard impeachment as their duty.

On the other hand, the reps are now wandering in a political fog with no clear way out. Their leader is badly damaged goods, but his constituency can still break them -- not only break the party but also destroy individual careers. Obviously, many of them will do the safe thing and vote against impeachment.

Compounding the need to placate the Trumpian base is the fact that 20 republican senators are up for reelection in 2022. Of those, only Toomey (of PA) has voiced some support for impeachment. Four senators on the list have already lined up against impeachment (Thune, Rubio, Johnson & Paul). Predictably, they ignore the merits of the case, instead arguing that impeachment of a departed official is procedurally wrong and would needlessly inflame the many who still believe the election was stolen.

In short, don't look for much courage.

FWIW, here are the 20 up for reelection:

Blunt, Roy (R-MO)

Boozman, John (R-AR)

Burr, Richard (R-NC)

Crapo, Mike (R-ID)

Grassley, Chuck (R-IA)

Hoeven, John (R-ND)

Johnson, Ron (R-WI)

Kennedy, John (R-LA)

Lankford, James (R-OK)

Lee, Mike (R-UT)

Moran, Jerry (R-KS)

Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)

Paul, Rand (R-KY)

Portman, Rob (R-OH)

Rubio, Marco (R-FL)

Scott, Tim (R-SC)

Shelby, Richard C. (R-AL)

Thune, John (R-SD)

Toomey, Patrick J. (R-PA)

Young, Todd (R-IN)

Toomey, Burr and Portman are not running for re-election. And Grassley hasn't announced anything, but he's going to be 89 on Election Day in 2022, so a retirement announcement from him wouldn't be shocking. So that's 4 that will be free to "vote their conscience".

Still a long way to 17 votes to impeach.

INCORRECT!

How is this NOT correct?:

"There is always a RISK when a virus mutates to become less lethal, however. Just as an example, if a virus has a VERY high kill rate, especially if it does it quickly, then the spread of that virus may not be great. If though that virus mutates so that it doesn't kill at such a high rate, it DOES allow for many more people to get it, so over all that could lead to more deaths just due to sheer numbers of people who get it, even if the individual's chance of dying from it is now less."

I not only said that, but I said mutated viruses were "presumed" to be less deadly. It matters NOT what happens to this coronavirus...it could turn into a beast that smashes buildings and cars like King Kong, and I would STILL be right. I never guaranteed anything about this virus.

Sorry, but I was NOT wrong about anything regarding this topic.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Yes, which means the scummier she is the more potential she has to own the libs.

Also, these people were always lied to and simply have a preference for scapegoats and victimhood. They don’t want to hear anything about accountability and that their situation could be better if they change or try a bit harder. They want someone else to blame and the GOP loves servicing that demand.

How would becoming the governor of the the 34th largest state be owning the libs? The people of Arkansas can elect whomever they want and it will have zero impact on national politics.

Exactly. It's not like a former governor of Arkansas would have a remote chance at the Presidency in the future.

johnny99 wrote:

Maybe we'll now get to see if Rudy actually has these "boxes of evidence" that he claims to have.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rudy-giuliani-sued-by-dominion-voting-systems-over-false-election-claims/ar-BB1d4oBL?li=BBnb7Kz

It will be interesting to see if Rudy accepts what is likely the legal advice he's getting to make some public statement....as others under the threat of a Dominion lawsuit have almost immediately done...and issue some level of retraction.

I doubt he'll do it because he likely thinks in grandiosity and that he can beat anything but we'll see.

Brite Bart wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

How would becoming the governor of the the 34th largest state be owning the libs? The people of Arkansas can elect whomever they want and it will have zero impact on national politics.

Exactly. It's not like a former governor of Arkansas would have a remote chance at the Presidency in the future.

I figured that someone would make that counterpoint, but Clinton was one of the all-time most talented politicians and being the governor of Arkansas didn't didn't impress anyone.

ask the Brits how this variant has been a good thing for them.

How it is going still is NOT against anything I have said (and clarified) on this topic.

Flagpole wrote:

jumbo shrimp wrote:

ask the Brits how this variant has been a good thing for them.

How it is going still is NOT against anything I have said (and clarified) on this topic.

Are you really this f’ing dumb?

Don’t answer that. You’ll get that wrong too.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Brite Bart wrote:

Exactly. It's not like a former governor of Arkansas would have a remote chance at the Presidency in the future.

I figured that someone would make that counterpoint, but Clinton was one of the all-time most talented politicians and being the governor of Arkansas didn't didn't impress anyone.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a Trump sycophant and a liar. ANY position she gets elected to is dangerous and not good and continues her name recognition for any later foray into national politics...House, Senate, perhaps even a Presidential run. She should burn in hell.

jumbo shrimp wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

How it is going still is NOT against anything I have said (and clarified) on this topic.

Are you really this f’ing dumb?

Don’t answer that. You’ll get that wrong too.

Not sure what you think I got wrong, but I said viruses are "presumed" to be less lethal as they mutate, and that is correct.

Let's apply what we've learned from FP:

Whenever you are presented with a choice of which virus to get - the regular virus or the more contagious version of the virus - choose the contagious version. because FP is right to point out that odds are it is less likely to kill you.

FP is right again. The new contagious version is GOOD thing for all of us, as he said correctly.