Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Trollminator wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

My point is that everyone DOES NOT know what Trump did. I don't know how involved he was in the riots. That has yet to come out.

I'm only saying that if the facts are bad enough it could be enough to flip 17 senators.

That’s fair but wasn’t that the case for his last impeachment? Will there be a recording of trump giving someone the go ahead to fund and organize the attack? At the end of the day the GOP does not need to address any new facts, no matter how strong. They can simply stick to their position that this trial is illegal. Question for you - does most of the base want trump convicted?

A small part of the R base does want Trump convicted. Maybe that's around 15% overall right now. I expect that number to rise if we get enough damning testimony. But I do not believe it will take 50% of R's wanting conviction to get one. Find the 17 R senators who are most likely to convict. Their states are already well over 15% for conviction today. If 35% to 40% of R's in their state want a conviction after hearing the evidence then that will be enough to persuade them.

See my previous post for why it won't take 50%. There are more factors than just public opinion.

Trollminator wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/trump-doj-attorney-plan-replace-acting-ag-false-election-claims/index.html

In other words, we’ve kept a functioning democracy by a hair’s breadth.

Indeed. It really came down to a handful of Republicans who finally, finally, finally stood up to Trump.

Fat hurts wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

In other words, we’ve kept a functioning democracy by a hair’s breadth.

Indeed. It really came down to a handful of Republicans who finally, finally, finally stood up to Trump.

+1

Democracy is very thin

So few democracies can survive a trumpish president. Kudos to us.

I do suspect that there would have been another layer of protection had some of these ramrod Rs not stood up to Trump. But it's clear that much/most of the R party, elected or otherwise, would be perfectly happy to ditch democracy in favor of Trump.

Not great for the future.

But my thesis for a while has been that Trump is a massively gifted human being in terms o f convincing people to do bad things. No way hawley or cruz can do that.

P wrote:

yetzi wrote:

You’re not the guy who said cases peaked at Xmas and would go down from there???

Cases went up 30% from then up to around 250,000 per day.

There were 3.1 million new cases in the two week period ending December 18. I believed at the time that this would be the highest they would get. The highest they ever reached was 3.4 million new cases for the two week period ending January 15. The two week total ending January 22 (today) will be 3.0 million cases.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

It’s not very often here.

More of the same, virusy.

(seven day averages )

US cases continue to plummet, down 28% from Jan 11 peak

deaths down 7%

0.83% fully vaccinated

An new high of 1.6 million vaccinations administered Friday, which is good.

This past week saw 22% more vaccinations than the prior week, so that's also good.

Israel still not plummeting...

Cases down 8% from peak

deaths still rising

10.39% fully vaccinated

UK

Cases down 35%

Deaths still rising

0.69% fully vaccinated

oldschoollrc wrote:

Legal troubles for former president Trump?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/22/trump-charges-george-conway/?arc404=true

Some of this may eventually pop up but George Conway is going to have a decidedly anti Trump slant so reader beware.

I don't know why people believe an invisible man can maintain his control over conservative politics. Even without 1/6, it would be difficult for an ex-POTUS to remain relevant. Trump was more image than substance, and he will no longer have one. Even if he put together a network, his speaking style will not play well. His former fans will find something else to do besides chanting "Lock her up" from their living rooms.

A new political party is not a steak he can slap his name on. Trump will soon fade away.

the history of the world shows very many populist authoritarian types who refuse to go away.

it's their nature. They think the world needs them, and they relish the attention.

Trump was only happy at his rallies. Without them, he has nothing other than some fancy toys, a former semi-prostitute wife, and golf. He will have those rallies again.

Trump will be a part of our politics until either dead, senile or in jail.

Without Twitter (or a similar platform) his influence among the masses has lessened tremendously. He doesn't have a platform to rile up the right or the left.

If he was still on Twitter, he would have had a twitter storm over Biden's excutive actions doing away with several of Trump's policies. The media would have been all of it. But we've heard little since he has no mouthpiece currently.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

agip wrote:

the history of the world shows very many populist authoritarian types who refuse to go away.

it's their nature. They think the world needs them, and they relish the attention.

Trump was only happy at his rallies. Without them, he has nothing other than some fancy toys, a former semi-prostitute wife, and golf. He will have those rallies again.

Trump will be a part of our politics until either dead, senile or in jail.

Without Twitter (or a similar platform) his influence among the masses has lessened tremendously. He doesn't have a platform to rile up the right or the left.

If he was still on Twitter, he would have had a twitter storm over Biden's excutive actions doing away with several of Trump's policies. The media would have been all of it. But we've heard little since he has no mouthpiece currently.

truth

It's amazing how powerful deplatforming is.

On the other hand, he's clearly not trying very hard.

He could easily set up interviews that would be heard by millions if he wanted to.

And I suspect he will want to at some point.

agip wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Without Twitter (or a similar platform) his influence among the masses has lessened tremendously. He doesn't have a platform to rile up the right or the left.

If he was still on Twitter, he would have had a twitter storm over Biden's excutive actions doing away with several of Trump's policies. The media would have been all of it. But we've heard little since he has no mouthpiece currently.

truth

It's amazing how powerful deplatforming is.

On the other hand, he's clearly not trying very hard.

He could easily set up interviews that would be heard by millions if he wanted to.

And I suspect he will want to at some point.

He wants to be POTUS and he will never try hard to be anything else in politics. No, he won't be able to easily set up interviews on major networks. Sponsers will want no part of him.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Indeed. It really came down to a handful of Republicans who finally, finally, finally stood up to Trump.

+1

Democracy is very thin

So few democracies can survive a trumpish president. Kudos to us.

I do suspect that there would have been another layer of protection had some of these ramrod Rs not stood up to Trump. But it's clear that much/most of the R party, elected or otherwise, would be perfectly happy to ditch democracy in favor of Trump.

Not great for the future.

But my thesis for a while has been that Trump is a massively gifted human being in terms o f convincing people to do bad things. No way hawley or cruz can do that.

Kudos to those who stood firm to protect our democracy.

But sorry I can't give Kudos to us as a whole. We should have never let it get as far as it did. The number of politicians and people who accepted or simply used the grand lie about the stolen election was shameful.

This fiasco showed that as a country we have some huge flaws. But again, thank God for the ethical ones who took abuse for being honest and ethical.

buckle up, America. It's trumplandia against virtue, democracy and truth.

Democracy hasn't survived the populist authoritarian yet.

NYT:

The 10 House Republicans who voted for impeachment are already facing a fleet of primary challengers, censures and other rebukes from their hometown Republican Party organizations, an indication that the battle over Mr. Trump will play a defining role in shaping the direction of the party during the next two years.

“Trump might be gone, but Trumpism is virtually guaranteed to be a part of the 2022 elections,” said Ken Spain, a former senior official at the National Republican Congressional Committee. “The tectonic plates have shifted within the G.O.P. and now members are trying to figure out how to straddle the fault lines.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/23/us/politics/republican-who-wont-vote-to-impeach-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Trollminator wrote:

As far as Trump, he will form the Patriot Party and will fleece the base some more. If he's allowed back on one of the major social media platforms again he will mess with the GOP enough to prevent them from moving on.

I think this would be the worst situation for the GOP since it wouldn't last beyond the lifetime of Trump. All it would be is a distraction for as long as he's coherent (to his minions) enough to be a player on social media or to rally.

I don't believe it's fair to refer to Melania as a semi-prostitute. There have been countless women that have married someone only because the guy was rich and/or famous. All other things being equal, any woman is going to chose the person that is going to be a better provider,

yetzi wrote:

P wrote:

There were 3.1 million new cases in the two week period ending December 18. I believed at the time that this would be the highest they would get. The highest they ever reached was 3.4 million new cases for the two week period ending January 15. The two week total ending January 22 (today) will be 3.0 million cases.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

It’s not very often here.

What happened to your 30% ?

Dan Kahneman wrote:

Kudos to those who stood firm to protect our democracy.

But sorry I can't give Kudos to us as a whole. We should have never let it get as far as it did. The number of politicians and people who accepted or simply used the grand lie about the stolen election was shameful.

This fiasco showed that as a country we have some huge flaws. But again, thank God for the ethical ones who took abuse for being honest and ethical.

Agreed.

However, the more that I see how people work, the more amazed I am that there has EVER existed a nation that is anything more than the domain of the resident warlord. The existence of democracies is nothing short of a miracle.

You are optimistic, but those are good points. I agree the stakes couldn't be higher but the GOP will not confront their existential threat. That would require going against everything they've stood for over the last few decades, a strong leader who can convince them and muster party unity, loyalty to the cause, and resolve. That existed while they sucked up to trump, but died right after he lost. They are rudderless and divided.

The rational course of action for the GOP's long term viability is to unite, convict and move on as quickly as possible. But the GOP is full of narcissistic and corrupt sycophants who don't care if everything collapses as long as they get theirs. Acquitting is the path of least resistance and perhaps they got too deeply involved with trump to be able to escape the gravitational pull.