Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

To add, I really don’t think they have the appetite for a big and painful pivot. I’m sure Mitch is warning them that they may not get another great shot at divorcing themselves from trumpism, but these people are all spineless and they’ve been doing really well for themselves by protecting the cult. The day after the attack a bunch of those clowns were claiming it was antifa and most were refusing to call trump out.

Happy Groundhog Day trump lover! ??????????

That’s fair but wasn’t that the case for his last impeachment? Will there be a recording of trump giving someone the go ahead to fund and organize the attack? At the end of the day the GOP does not need to address any new facts, no matter how strong. They can simply stick to their position that this trial is illegal. Question for you - does most of the base want trump convicted?

betting odds for a conviction are just 18%.

But this feels quite fluid, with pieces moving.

The Rs are getting a taste of being in the minority that Trump brough them...some might throw up their hands and say 'we have to get rid of this clown before he hurts us even more.'

But I doubt there will be more than 5 Rs voting to convict.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The courts disagreed with you. The first two EO's were thrown out because they amounted to a Muslim ban. Also, the courts carefully considered what Trump had said in rendering their verdicts. His words were admitted as evidence. What Trump said was very important for legal purposes.

Intent is important in a court room. And it's certainly important in the court of public opinion.

Trump tried to ban Muslims. It was a Muslim ban. So just call it what it was.

(Chief Justice) Roberts pointed out that even though five of the seven nations are Muslim Majority, by that fact alone "does not support an inference of religious hostility, given that the policy covers just 8% of the world’s Muslim population and is limited to countries that were previously designated by Congress or prior administrations as posing national security risks."

The first two EO's were struck down by the courts. What Roberts said in one opinion doesn't change that fact.

yetzi wrote:

P wrote:

You are wrong. Not surprising.

I called the peak at 3.1 million new cases over a two week span. The absolute peak (to date) has been 3.4 million cases over a two week span. At the end of today we will be at 3.0 million new cases over a two week span.

So, you were wrong then. You are wrong now.

You’re not the guy who said cases peaked at Xmas and would go down from there???

Cases went up 30% from then up to around 250,000 per day.

There were 3.1 million new cases in the two week period ending December 18. I believed at the time that this would be the highest they would get. The highest they ever reached was 3.4 million new cases for the two week period ending January 15. The two week total ending January 22 (today) will be 3.0 million cases.

agip wrote:

I doubt there will be more than 5 Rs voting to convict.

Concur. And hence no way Mitch votes to convict.

kibitzer wrote:

agip wrote:

I doubt there will be more than 5 Rs voting to convict.

Concur. And hence no way Mitch votes to convict.

Stakes are higher in the Sentate.

Higher in the sense that it was easy for the House R members to put on a show about how impeachment was improper because they had no chance of ever winning the vote to begin with. This is a lot more real though. I can imagine the threat of a Patriot Party (don't make me fvcking barf) is unsettling and they can basically put a nail in that dumb coffin right now.

Unless someone in the Senate wants to try to be the next Trump. A lot of people suspect Hawley is putting on a show to channel that retard energy for 2024. I have no idea why he thinks that will work, but the desire is there.

I think this vote will be the ultimate "show your cards" moment. You're gonna find out exactly who's in this game for themselves, or for the money and power, and who's in it because they believe in values and a better America.

agip wrote:

Interesting read on the internal battle in the GOP about whether to convict or not.

Basically, the regular GOPers want trump gone but don't have the guts to do it themselves.

They need cover, so they are looking to Mitch to give it to them.

I have a weird feeling that they might actually convict.

The feeling is that the GOP needs Trump gone, and this could break the cult of personality.

Clearly the worry is that they poke the Trumpy bear and he lashes out at them, politically and egging on the seditionists.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/mcconnell-trump-impeachment-conviction-republicans/index.html

30 Republican Senators do not face an election until 2024. Trump and his skidmark will be long gone by then.

Legal troubles for former president Trump?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/22/trump-charges-george-conway/?arc404=true

Agreed about Hawley. I think he made a BIG miscalculation there.

I do not think the Senate will convict Trump. I think it's absolutely crazy that they won't, but I don't think they will. I REALLY hope I'm wrong. Seems to me that it benefits the GOP both long and short term to put a fork in this horrible chapter and be done with that clown for good, but logic seems to have gone out the window, not just for GOP voters but for the elected officials as well.

Sadly it will be that ALL of them except for Romney are in it for money and power. The others who vote to convict will do it only because there is a serious concern they won’t be re elected otherwise.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/trump-doj-attorney-plan-replace-acting-ag-false-election-claims/index.html

In other words, we’ve kept a functioning democracy by a hair’s breadth.

GTFO and stay out losers!

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1352029590571655170?s=21

Throw this in the evidence pile, for what it’s worth

https://twitter.com/jasonkander/status/1352674476396335106?s=21

It doesn't make sense politically for the Rs to vote to convict.

2024 will be an issue if they can't find an energizing candidate not named or connected to Trump. They will lose 2024 with anyone connected to Trump but if Trump and Co stay relevant then I'm not sure they have anyone else to challenge.

Who are the up and coming Rs? Who can take advantage of the changing American demographics?

The Rs seem to be clinging to the last gasps of the aging while male. Trump was their mid-life crisis.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

It doesn't make sense politically for the Rs to vote to convict.

2024 will be an issue if they can't find an energizing candidate not named or connected to Trump. They will lose 2024 with anyone connected to Trump but if Trump and Co stay relevant then I'm not sure they have anyone else to challenge.

Who are the up and coming Rs? Who can take advantage of the changing American demographics?

The Rs seem to be clinging to the last gasps of the aging while male. Trump was their mid-life crisis.

Alan

We have to look at it through the lens of two types of Rs, the trumpers and RINOs. Progressive Rs don't exist, at least not yet. The closest to that is Romney. Perhaps the Lincoln project Rs have a chance to start a progressive wing, but they would need to siphon some Dems because the brainwashing on the right is extremely potent. Anyway, the GOP is not even close to the light bulb going off and go with the demographic shift instead of swimming against the current. This is mostly because gerrymandering and voter suppression have allowed them to stay in power without having to cater any group other than white males.

So back to two types of Rs:

Trumpers - if they win the GOP civil war then Trump remains relevant if he is still allowed to hold office. Next after him would be someone like Tucker Carlson, another outsider. Even the likes of Ted and Hawley won't cut it I don't think, they are not extreme enough and can't be trusted by the foaming at the mouth base. Even if they could pull it off, they have no shot at beating a Dem.

RINOs - if they flush out trump's grip on the GOP, top candidates will be Cotton, Haley and Rubio. Notice I don't include Cheney and Romney because they rejected trump and are tainted forever with the base. Cotton and Haley are trump sympathizers. The base is too brainwashed to go with a normal RINO who wants to put country over party/demagogue.

I can see Cotton being able to pull off a win against a Dem and someone like Carlson, as crazy as it sounds, may have a shot if it's against an establishment Dem.

One thing is for sure, the GOP has definitely not hit rock bottom yet. They will have to get totally gutted for there to be any major change of strategy and mission. They will take the path of least resistance, which collectively means acquitting trump and then obstructing Biden, playing victim, and being careful not to offend trump.

If Mitch decides conviction is the way and gets enough Rs onboard, it will be a quicker end to the GOP. He would be ousted and would likely retire with a battle ensuing for the leadership role.

As far as Trump, he will form the Patriot Party and will fleece the base some more. If he's allowed back on one of the major social media platforms again he will mess with the GOP enough to prevent them from moving on.