Tuohy finishes second in pro 6k race!!

bartwas wrote:

My point is if she goes to Lehigh to run a 6k why didn't she just stay out west and run footlocker to absolutely stamp herself as the top girl right now. This year she didn't beat everyone.

Apparently you do not understand is that was not an option.

I respect her decision to compete with her team. She could have run both because she would have received and invitation to NXN but it would have meant abandoning her team. But I believe had she taken that path, she would not have won Footlocker. We don't know how she will do in the NCAA. I think Dudek will more successful. I think Willis will be more successful even though she is currently focusing on mid distance. I think Ewert will be more successful. But I believe that Tuohy will be a top 20 runner.

Or she would have broken the course record if the times yesterday were an indication of how fast that course was running.

Did you see the guys' times? Did you see Ewert's time? The course wasn't fast. It was the top 3 girls who ARE fast.

The conditions are always the same more or less

And course is always fairly fast

Dudek and starliper had really strong races and obviously were feeling it

But starliper just lost to Tuohy by what 15-20 seconds at nxn

Tuohy ran a 170 speed rating jogging to the Finish

Katelyn Tuohy 174 Max potential right now

Dudek starliper 169

Vanderkooi 168

Taylor ewert with tired from nxn let's give her a 167 along with Sydney thorvaldson

Claire Walters 163

Jenna Hutchins Sydney masciarelli 163 Max

RestonVA wrote:

Tuohy will never finish higher than 25th? Kelsey Chmiel, who Tuohy regularly destroyed, and who would have been a 2 time NXN champ herself if not for Tuohy, just finished 22nd as a freshman.

If you read my post, I said some idiot said this. I completely agree with you and that's exactly my point. Chmiel was 22nd and Tuohy consistently beat her. I was saying haters see her one "bad" race (where she won a national championship) as the end of her career.

bartwas wrote:

My point is if she goes to Lehigh to run a 6k why didn't she just stay out west and run footlocker to absolutely stamp herself as the top girl right now. This year she didn't beat everyone.

Oh my god. It has been explained 300 times the Tuohy wanted to run with her team at NXN as they stood a chance to make the podium. Their schedules conflicted with NXN and NE Footlocker Regional. She chose her team.

She’s a senior and has dominated girls XC since her freshman year. She is undefeated and has nothing to prove to some keyboard warriors on LetsRun.

This is just my personal opinion, but to me if you are the well-established #1 for 3 years running the burden is on the other girls to show up and challenge you if they want that spot. All of the top Footlocker girls had the option to show up at NXN and take her on. Some did, some declined, but runners should seek out challenges from other better runners in competition. Why would Touhy seek these girls out? If they want to challenge for the #1 spot they should have done NXN. Touhy didn't have the choice without abandoning her team. She put her team goals ahead of her personal goals, which is respectable. She has nothing left to prove in high school cross country.

Slo-Jo wrote:

This is just my personal opinion, but to me if you are the well-established #1 for 3 years running the burden is on the other girls to show up and challenge you if they want that spot. All of the top Footlocker girls had the option to show up at NXN and take her on. Some did, some declined, but runners should seek out challenges from other better runners in competition. Why would Touhy seek these girls out? If they want to challenge for the #1 spot they should have done NXN. Touhy didn't have the choice without abandoning her team. She put her team goals ahead of her personal goals, which is respectable. She has nothing left to prove in high school cross country.

Dudek had a chance to represent her native country. Starliper did accept the challenge/opportunity

Yeah but you know he's not referring to starliper or Dudek

He's referring to the guys who for some reason want to keep taking shots at Tuohy and saying she's not the best

Bottom line is she has won every straight race for 3 years from start to finish and except for one close race every race was 17 seconds one more of the victory

Dudek is a great Runner but she lost vanderkooy

And she also just edged out Katelyn Hart and Marlee starliper

Now there's nothing wrong with that strategy in some ways she's smart too pick her spots and to win the race is that way

But it clearly shows that she's not as dominant

Tuohy has run against some great competition the last three years and absolutely dominated

Dudek has had a great surge recently and is really coming on but she certainly did not have overall as strong of a year. It's just not debatable. If you want to say that she's going to continue to improve and will be the best at some point that's fine

Footlocker Midwest was 10 times as bad as NXN conditions. Results from that meet don't mean much. Dudek is at a point right now to beat Tuohy. That doesn't mean Tuohy hasn't been the best XC runner of all time. Remember Cheserek in the NCAA across 4 years? Best ever. But he lost his last race. Dudek is destined for greatness. Tuohy looks to be on a similar path as the Frazier sisters. They couldn't be beat on the track and they were going to win every NCAA championship.

International running is so tainted I almost don't want athletes that I root for to join it. Taints everything and everyone it touchs.

Ilovetorun557 wrote:

I think things are heading in a great direction for Touhy. Without any pressure she was able to preform amazingly. Collage will be great for her. Highschool Touhy is amazing, but she she basically accomplished everything and people keep expecting more, I think the pressure and stress is starting to get to her.

I wish her the beat in collage, I really hope she goes to a team who is not counting on her being the best in the NCAA and who strives to develop her talent.

What collage did you attend? I'll do my utmost to avoid sending in my application there next year.

Dude Deck wrote:

Footlocker Midwest was 10 times as bad as NXN conditions. Results from that meet don't mean much. Dudek is at a point right now to beat Tuohy. That doesn't mean Tuohy hasn't been the best XC runner of all time. Remember Cheserek in the NCAA across 4 years? Best ever. But he lost his last race. Dudek is destined for greatness. Tuohy looks to be on a similar path as the Frazier sisters. They couldn't be beat on the track and they were going to win every NCAA championship.

Everybody said the same thing about masciarelli last year

I should say a lot of people were saying the same thing and all hyped up about her

There's nothing wrong with being excited about a young talent but

As of now she's clearly not better than Katelyn Tuohy

It's just dumb to try to argue that she is. Maybe she will be in the future maybe not. But Tuohy just clearly had the best season. I mean if Dudek did something unbelievable and posted like a 174-176 speed rating I would be like yeah maybe you got a point maybe she's just really surging is becoming the best. But it was a three or four second win with a 169 speed rating it wasn't anything unbelievable

Yep. It's probably a pretty good indication that she's *still* 20 or 30 seconds better than ANY of these girls, who are only the best crop of girls in history. She just didn't have it last week. (And *still* won a freaking national championship.)

All you had to do was watch the finish of her Nike Northeast race, where she crushed Claire Walters by 20-something seconds and literally looked like she'd just jogged a warmup.

Or even her County Champs race at Bear Mtn, where she was actually *ahead* of her course-record pace till she wiped out in the mud on the final loop.

The evidence was, and is, that she's better than ever. But dumb-asses (like the Founder, unfortunately), chose to look at the ONE race where she let it all get to her and underperformed --or a couple other races where she jogged the whole thing-- and assume she was washed up.

Do better, guys.

bartwas wrote:

My point is if she goes to Lehigh to run a 6k why didn't she just stay out west and run footlocker to absolutely stamp herself as the top girl right now. This year she didn't beat everyone.

I don't know if this is a troll post or not....but there are 3 pretty obvious points here:

1) she can't run FL - Fl hasn't come up with a way of inviting top runners who did not / can not attend their regionals

2) This is a HS girl...just taking another week off of school; away from home; staying in a hotel, disrupting sleeping/eating patterns...this is not just a simple thing (or smart thing) to do.

3)Tuohy has not stamped herself, she had dropped a Moon Eclipse on the entire HS girls running population. Everything she has done for the past 3 years has put her on a complete different level, and likely into the greatest XC female of all time. She may not be your favorite runner, and she is not unbeatable on any given day as we have seen, but her legacy is now written in stone.

Some people will always look for faults or meaningless 'what if' comparisons....she has nothing left to prove in the track world in regards HS XC, and certainly not to a bunch of keyboard wannabees.

Right. Starliper did accept, and faced Touhy at her most vulnerable in 3 years. I respect Starliper for challenging. And I'm not saying that Dudek didn't make a great choice competing in the Euro race. She seemed super happy with her choice. My point, though, is that if Dudek had a priority to be the undisputed high school US #1 in cross country it was on her to show up and race Touhy, not the other way around. Now, if Dudek had been running speed ratings ahead of Touhy all season there would be a solid argument, but there is just nothing there that indicates that Touhy should have sought out Dudek to prove anything.

Dude Deck wrote:

Footlocker Midwest was 10 times as bad as NXN conditions. Results from that meet don't mean much. Dudek is at a point right now to beat Tuohy. That doesn't mean Tuohy hasn't been the best XC runner of all time. Remember Cheserek in the NCAA across 4 years? Best ever. But he lost his last race. Dudek is destined for greatness. Tuohy looks to be on a similar path as the Frazier sisters. They couldn't be beat on the track and they were going to win every NCAA championship.

Ah, I see our name changing, future predicting troll is back....

Dudeck is a doper. Would bet on it.