2016 olympic 1500 wrote:
He's fine, just fine wrote:
Nahh! His brand new 3:34 PB is plenty fast enough for a championship race.
Isn't it?
3:50 is what needed.
Ouch! Why didn't I think of that?
2016 olympic 1500 wrote:
He's fine, just fine wrote:
Nahh! His brand new 3:34 PB is plenty fast enough for a championship race.
Isn't it?
3:50 is what needed.
Ouch! Why didn't I think of that?
douglas burke wrote:
Why Did Ahmed (The pacer) quit in the LEAD with 800 to go? He might have broke the Canadian Record? I guess since he apparently led the 10 laps he must be in INCREDIBLE shape, Maybe sub 27 in the 10000 and LOW 12:50's in the 5000 in Doha? Note it is A Championship so it likely will be tactical, but if they go for a fast time it would be interesting.
He stepped off with 400 to go.
Those times are insane. I would have thought it was a joke if Gault hadn't posted. Congrats to these guys, I guess the US now has three serious medal contenders. I think I'm most impressed by Centro's performance, I would have bet a lot of money against him being able to run 13:00, but Kincaid at 12:58 is pretty sick too. Seriously guys my mind is blown a little bit.
Jgt11 wrote:
Centro has run 3:30, 3:50 and now 13:00. Heartbreaking
And those will be his PRs when he retires. Sad!
juicy jerry wrote:
Wow, that thread on Woody's progression being suspicious sure got deleted quickly!
I wish I could find that dumb@ss thread about Rupp being maxed out at the 5k. Kincaid ran 12:58.10 today and people have argued that Rupp could not have run faster than 12:58.90...
Were there any actual USATF officials there? Doesn't there have to be some for this to count for anything? Kincaid clearly lost his balance and stepped out over the rail and should be DQ'd. If you get a chance to watch it back you will see it. Ahmed also lost his balance and stepped out and not when he was trying to exit the track. It looked as if he was going to finish and then he stumbled and gave way and exited the track. Looked like it threw him off.
juicy jerry wrote:
Kincaid ran 12:58.10 today and people have argued that Rupp could not have run faster than 12:58.90...
He got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:58.90
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Kincaid's race today was the perfect encapsulation of Jerry Schumacher right now. His supporters will argue Schumacher is a genius for turning a guy who wasn't a big-time pro recruit and never finished higher than 5th at NCAAs while in college into a 12:58 man. His critics will say that Jerry Schumacher failed to get a 12:58 guy on the Worlds team because he didn't race enough.
Isn't it very obvious that both of these things are true?
Hardloper wrote:
juicy jerry wrote:
Kincaid ran 12:58.10 today and people have argued that Rupp could not have run faster than 12:58.90...
He got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:58.90
Not 'tons,' but a fair number, yeah. But if you watched his 26:44, and don't believe he was in shape to run significantly faster than 12:59 (rounded), you're probably an idiot.
Hardloper wrote:
juicy jerry wrote:
Kincaid ran 12:58.10 today and people have argued that Rupp could not have run faster than 12:58.90...
He got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:58.90
Mo Farah got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:53, but people think he could have run close to Bekele's record. Sad!
sp2 wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
He got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:58.90
Not 'tons,' but a fair number, yeah. But if you watched his 26:44, and don't believe he was in shape to run significantly faster than 12:59 (rounded), you're probably an idiot.
I think it’s physiologically impossible to run 3:50 and 26:44 yet only be in 12:58 shape. If you want to trash Rupp you can blame his mindset or something, but he was obviously fit enough to run faster
Lofty Goals wrote:
sp2 wrote:
Not 'tons,' but a fair number, yeah. But if you watched his 26:44, and don't believe he was in shape to run significantly faster than 12:59 (rounded), you're probably an idiot.
I think it’s physiologically impossible to run 3:50 and 26:44 yet only be in 12:58 shape. If you want to trash Rupp you can blame his mindset or something, but he was obviously fit enough to run faster
+1, he also ran 7:30. He had at worst a 12:53 in his legs, no question.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I watched the race.
I was impressed by how many fans came out. I'd guess 300 or more, there were a lot of people near the finish area.
Obviously ridiculously fast times for the BTC guys -- 12:58 for Woody Kincaid, 13:00 for Lopez Lomong, and 13:00 for Matthew Centrowitz. Great signs for Lomong and Centro ahead of Worlds. Is Lomong now a medal contender in the 10k? If it goes fast like it has the last few years, I still think probably not, but if it doesn't, I think he's a dark horse.
Kincaid's race today was the perfect encapsulation of Jerry Schumacher right now. His supporters will argue Schumacher is a genius for turning a guy who wasn't a big-time pro recruit and never finished higher than 5th at NCAAs while in college into a 12:58 man. His critics will say that Jerry Schumacher failed to get a 12:58 guy on the Worlds team because he didn't race enough.
Centro started his 5k quest to late in his career. Fast time on a perfect night,can he race the distance on a not so perfect night in a tactical race?
Woody was poorly coached, he didn’t make the World Champs team and didn’t run this time in an international race. That aside great time!
Lopez is right on track for what he should be doing.
It’s also different to run in diamond league races that are won in 12:55 with sporadic pacing and hard kicks than it is to run in a small evening race designed to be as fast as possible, with even pacing for 4000+ meters, and nothing significant on the line if you win or get third. In this type of scenario Rupp is probably going way under 12:58. Not to take away from these three. Incredible times. But also the perfect set up. Not sure why this type of thing hasn’t been done much before. Same with Rupp’s indoor record attempts.
Lofty Goals wrote:
sp2 wrote:
Not 'tons,' but a fair number, yeah. But if you watched his 26:44, and don't believe he was in shape to run significantly faster than 12:59 (rounded), you're probably an idiot.
I think it’s physiologically impossible to run 3:50 and 26:44 yet only be in 12:58 shape. If you want to trash Rupp you can blame his mindset or something, but he was obviously fit enough to run faster
I'm not trashing Rupp, he always raced hard and left it all on the track in his 5Ks. If he were capable of running 12:50 he would have. After running his 26:44 he ran all the 5Ks on the DL circuit and always finished right around 13 flat.
Try this good wrote:
Obviously it is ridiculous and silly. Hope Jerry doesn’t make one of the best race tacticians and turn him into basket case like other guys in club who can’t race unless everything is perfect. Lining in real competitor. Probably just trying to knock out Olympic standard as that is a big advantage to have when Jerry pounds them for 10 months.
But this is the difference between Salazar and Jerry. Salazar would have this be an 800 to get fast; Jerry a 5k for strength (even though Centrowitz is racing 1500). Speed from strength theory works but not enough at Worlds level.
Malmo is that you?
Jakob closed a 13:01 with a 54. Depending on Centro's last lap split, it looks like a toss-up between them in Doha. Timothy, Jakob and Centro looks like the podium to me.
Rupp = 12:49 wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
He got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:58.90
Mo Farah got in tons of fast races and never went faster than 12:53, but people think he could have run close to Bekele's record. Sad!
Simply not true. Farah never ran in any fast races. He won nearly all his races in a sit and kick style and even that 12:53 in 2011 was a tactical race
Not to spoil your american party, but if the east africans had good pacing they could time trial 12:45 comfortably...
No one said they couldn’t.
Super Inspector wrote:
Try this good wrote:
Obviously it is ridiculous and silly. Hope Jerry doesn’t make one of the best race tacticians and turn him into basket case like other guys in club who can’t race unless everything is perfect. Lining in real competitor. Probably just trying to knock out Olympic standard as that is a big advantage to have when Jerry pounds them for 10 months.
But this is the difference between Salazar and Jerry. Salazar would have this be an 800 to get fast; Jerry a 5k for strength (even though Centrowitz is racing 1500). Speed from strength theory works but not enough at Worlds level.
Malmo is that you?
Dont you think its strange that you think I'm behind every random post?