Breaking: Say it ain't so. Colleen Quigley DQd in women's steeple.

hold the phone wrote:

Larry Dickman wrote:

I live in a world where we defend our own.

Well, at least we now understand the source of the disagreement. My hope is that the rules are applied equally to everybody, regardless of where they're from.

Thanks for those words. No telling what they mean.

The USATF not appealing this is a travesty.

CGBatch wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

OK, but what you are arguing is that the rule should be different. I don't think a protest is the

right forum to argue for that. It is outside the scope of the committee to change that.

Oh yes, I agree this is done and dusted. But it needs to be brought up at the next IAAF council or whenever they go over rule changes.

Funny that the people who agree that USATF should not have filed a protest can't stop protesting here.

yjhkjhb wrote:

The picture shows the Kenyan cutting down to the line without an open path, thereby cutting off Quigley and forcing her on the line.

The USATF should have appealed this.

But it's an open buffet in the VIP private suite for USATF/IAAF reps. They can't possibly watch every heat or maintain contact with the lowly athletes or their agents/coaches to file a timely protest.

This is how the new era works.

This is exactly why I love XC and road races so much more than track. There is so much mayhem and elbowing the first 300m of most XC races, yet no one is DQ'd. Then, the leaders just have to stay inside the ropes or roughly on course and no one is DQ'd.

Watching London makes me realize that I can't wait for NCAA XC!

simple logic evades RWNJs wrote:

Obviously stepping inside on the bend (like Farah) should be a DQ unless there is a push (like Farah).

But with a straight line/rail to the left, if there is no advantage gained (e.g. passing inside), this shouldn't be a DQ.

People are acting like it is completely obvious that Farah was forced out, but it really isn't. This is made obvious by the fact that people keep claiming that he was pushed. Whatever caused him to go out, it was 100% NOT a push. He tripped. He may have been tripped by the runner behind him, or he may have stumbled on his own. But he absolutely wasn't pushed out.

I don't really see Farah's case as being any more clear than Quigley's.

Larry Dickman wrote:

CGBatch wrote:

Oh yes, I agree this is done and dusted. But it needs to be brought up at the next IAAF council or whenever they go over rule changes.

Funny that the people who agree that USATF should not have filed a protest can't stop protesting here.

I never said USATF shouldn't protest, I just think they did apply the current rule correctly. We really do need discretion, it's bothersome to see athletes who would otherwise qualify bounced from preliminary races for minor infractions.

if Quigly or Coburn or Frerichs got a silver medal and the gold medal winner stepped on the line after the last water jump you wouldn't be making the same arguments, you'd be saying, "rules are rules, and she broke em....etc, give her (USA) the gold."

It was on a straight away. They could argue that logic.

rojo wrote:

The IAAF rule book doesn't allow for common sense however. It says if you touch the line on a curve, you are out.

People on the insdie like Quigley or Kemboi only step on the line when they are cut off by other making a hard left.

That's not what the rule book says, however. Clearly from the section you quote in your article, the athlete shouldn't be disqualified if they're pushed or forced[/b}:

4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he

(a) is pushed [B}or forced by another person to step or run outside

his lane or on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable

border

The Kenyan athlete was pretty clearly cutting over and impeding Quigley (https://twitter.com/Steph_Rothstein/status/895360918649020416), so you could at least make the case here that she was forced. Pretty disgusting that USATF won't stand up for their athlete here.

Our 1st draft of a recap is up:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/08/american-evan-jager-comes-short-quest-gold-settles-americas-1st-ever-mens-world-championship-steeple-medal/

However, shortly after the race was over and before heat #2 even started, Quigley was disqualified for stepping on the line after the fifth water jump. Yesterday in the men’s steeplechase final, after a French protest, the officials determined that Evan Jager had also stepped on the same line but he was no DQd as they said he stepped on the line when it was straight and had not gained a material advantage. In this case, they did claim Quigley both stepped on the line while it was curved (which results in a DQ unless you are pushed or forced inside) and gained a material advantage and thus she’ll miss out of the final. Looking at replays, it appears Quigley actually stepped on the line twice, once when it was straight (which is ok as long as no ‘material advantage’ is gained) and then once when it was curved.

A few tweets for you to look at:

https://twitter.com/Steph_Rothstein/status/895360918649020416

https://twitter.com/FloTrack/status/895350591257546753

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/895363994701246464

https://twitter.com/usatf/status/895355759223025668

Quick Thought: The IAAF needs to change the rule book or build a rail

Ezekiel Kemboi‘s DQ last year was absurd. Same thing here. Quigley’s stepping on the line didn’t impact the race. The IAAF rule book doesn’t allow for common sense however. It says if you touch the line on a curve, you are out unless you were forced inside (like Mo Farah). Given how political shenanigans have impacted international sport over the years, we understand why the IAAF wants to leave very ambiguity in its rules but DQs like these in the steeple are unsporting. The contact rule is similar – should someone really be DQd for impeding someone at the start of a 10k?

If the IAAF doesn’t want people stepping on the line, they need to build a rail as it’s natural for the people on the outside to cut in.

Think about how an inside water jump is set up. It’s straight and then turns sharply to the left so people in front on the outside naturally will come in and cut off people on the inside. People on the inside like Quigley or Kemboi only step on the line when they are cut off by other making a hard left. So it seems reasonable that Quigley could claim she was forced inside which is what Stephanie Bruce is arguing in her tweet.

the pic wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Yes, there were multiple steps on the line. Look here:

https://twitter.com/usatf/status/895355759223025668

You have to open it and look through the comments. Clearly a step on the line.

Here is the pic; foot on the line along the kerb

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzzVe_V0AASIuc.jpg:large

If this is the alleged infraction, I still think it's a bogus ruling. I can see a dark line between her foot and the white line on the inside of the track. It doesn't look like she actually steps on the white line - fractionally close, but not on it.

looked pretty minor wrote:

How was that more egregious than Farah stepping over the line?

And can someone explain why there is no rail inside the track on water barrier cut-ins?

Farah had some contact that forced him out. Quigley stepped on the line multiple times in a 10 stride stretch.

She's luck there was no rail, she may have sprained her ankle on it.

Its what happens when you're tired and taking the shortest route.

I watched mo farah. It looked to me that he tripped over his own foot. Hopefully the video review had a better angle and frame by frame review. However probably only a front and back angle where as a side angle might show contact from another runner. I didnt see it.

With quigley she surely stepped on line twice. First on the straight. I dont think it should be a dq for that.

On the second time she steps on line on a small curve. It looked to me she was mildly cut off or forced by kenyan runner. I would have to look at video to see what situation was two steps prior to this infraction. But as i recall the kenyan was slightly behind or even. She had no right to force quigley inside, even though it was not flagrant.

And, i would guess a curb would have prevented this - or at least more cones which should be placed on the line.

violasongbird wrote:

Farah had some contact that forced him out.

Again, it's really not clear that this is true. I don't think there's really any more evidence that Farah was forced out than that Quigley was forced out by the Kenyan runner.

Yes there is plenty of white line showing in that pic.... To say she is mm over from that angle is impossible...

It's on a straight path. No advantage gained. This is stupid.

She didn't even come to the interview after her race.. what a sore loser.

rojo wrote:

She finished 3rd in heat #1 and there were auto qualiiers but she's been given a quick DQ.

But she's been DQd. I was wondering if she came too inside on the water jump and it looks like that was the case.

OS BIB ATHLETE MARK DETAIL

1 3942 Gesa Felicitas KRAUSE GER 9:39.86 Q

2 4079 Hyvin Kiyeng JEPKEMOI KEN 9:39.89 Q

3 4083 Purity Cherotich KIRUI KEN 9:40.53 Q

4 4109 Fadwa SIDI MADANE MAR 9:40.61

5 3838 Sofia ASSEFA ETH 9:40.88

6 3830 Irene SÁNCHEZ-ESCRIBANO ESP 9:46.59

7 3860 Maeva DANOIS FRA 9:49.21

8 3721 Alycia BUTTERWORTH CAN 9:51.50

9 4304 Mariya SHATALOVA UKR 9:54.21

10 3918 Lennie WAITE GBR 9:54.97

11 3702 Tigest GETENT BRN 9:55.42

12 3806 Lucie SEKANOVÁ CZE 10:09.67

13 4243 Charlotta FOUGBERG SWE 10:21.21

4362 Colleen QUIGLEY USA DQ

Update: Here is the infraction.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/895355295718928384

Actually the step(s)that caused the DQ came later on the curved part of the runout as she neared the main trac