ever heard of WR wrote:
Brazier Burger wrote:And how much faster did Ryun get?
Ummm, his 1:44.9 880y was a WR.
Because you know ZERO about T&F.
"in only his fifth competitive 880-yard race, he bested Snell’s four-year old half-mile record with a time of 1:44.9."
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/
How much faster did he get? We're talking potential development here, not maxed out talent early on.
Can you try to keep up?
Brazier Burger wrote:
ever heard of WR wrote:Ummm, his 1:44.9 880y was a WR.
Because you know ZERO about T&F.
"in only his fifth competitive 880-yard race, he bested Snell’s four-year old half-mile record with a time of 1:44.9."
http://kuhistory.com/articles/ryuns-run/How much faster did he get? We're talking potential development here, not maxed out talent early on.
Can you try to keep up?
Three world records and stomped Kip Keino on the biggest stage of the year.
Of course you will say he should have undertrained and 'saved it' for some unknown future date. But reality doesn't work that way, and that unknown future date isn't promised of anyone.
how fast did ryun get wrote:
Brazier Burger wrote:How much faster did he get? We're talking potential development here, not maxed out talent early on.
Can you try to keep up?
Three world records and stomped Kip Keino on the biggest stage of the year.
Of course you will say he should have undertrained and 'saved it' for some unknown future date. But reality doesn't work that way, and that unknown future date isn't promised of anyone.
He never ran a step faster than his 18 year old time. That's the point. Keino stomped him even harder on the biggest stage of all.
Brazier Burger wrote:
He never ran a step faster than his 18 year old time. That's the point. Keino stomped him even harder on the biggest stage of all.
I believe he ran faster at 19. After that, he still improved, just shifted his focus towards the mile where he was better. Your point fails to tell us anything useful.
The NCAA is the biggest breeding ground for Olympic track medals, including the 800m, than any other form of organized competition on the planet. NCAA is a great place to prepare for four rounds of international 800m competition. The guy is doing great. He's in the right place. Hopefully, he can fulfil his huge potential and bring 800m gold back to the US.
rojo wrote:
Jabari wrote:Rojo did you mean you feel sorry for Kidder? I think Creese is out of indoor eligibility (he has one more year of outdoor eligibility though).
Yes I meant Kidder. I've corrected the post.
I've also changed the title of the initial thread. Donavan Brazier is how you spell his name.
Rojo, I can't believe you edit your posts but don't see a reason why others should be able to.
Every other forum I belong to mandates registration and allows for editing of posts (among many other benefits). Just check out Reddit or any other of the millions of popular message boards out there.
how fast did ryun get wrote:
Brazier Burger wrote:He never ran a step faster than his 18 year old time. That's the point. Keino stomped him even harder on the biggest stage of all.
I believe he ran faster at 19. After that, he still improved, just shifted his focus towards the mile where he was better. Your point fails to tell us anything useful.
He did not and my point is that prodigies have less room for development.
Don't count the medals yet.
2 Texas A&M 3:11.42 49.19 [49.19] 1:36.67 [47.49] 2:24.12 [47.45] 3:11.42 [47.30]
Texas A&M Deon Hickey Robert Grant Donavan Brazier Fred Kerley
Double up with a 47.45 relay legs 2hrs later hours later.
The NCAA over raced argument is so over blown it is hysterical, has been for years.
In the system itself, folks have no idea how many of those are all out efforts or not.
Cross Country is one of THE lightest competed varsity sports of all. Many elites run not more than one 8K and two-three 10Ks in 4 months. ReallY?
The sport has become all about trainng and harly any racing.
You THINK that is too much?
I think it hysterical, no sport is more lightly competed than Track and Field , it is one of the reasons it has such little traction for fandom or support, plus all the excuse making .
Trialswatcher wrote:
The NCAA over raced argument is so over blown it is hysterical, has been for years.
In the system itself, folks have no idea how many of those are all out efforts or not.
Cross Country is one of THE lightest competed varsity sports of all. Many elites run not more than one 8K and two-three 10Ks in 4 months. ReallY?
The sport has become all about trainng and harly any racing.
You THINK that is too much?
I think it hysterical, no sport is more lightly competed than Track and Field , it is one of the reasons it has such little traction for fandom or support, plus all the excuse making .
Last NCAA runner to medal in the Olympics was bronze Johnny Grey in 1992.
Galen Rupp? I think he ran a few NCAA races when it counted?
Can we try to keep up and to others? How good did Jim TRyun need to be other than the WR holder in two events.
Really? try to read a modicum of history before such stupid remarks.
I should have presumed other poster was talking 800, a huge crap shoot no matter what.
As far as the how much did Jim Ryun improve thing? Folks cannot be serious.
At his best there is not one U.S. guy who could have dealt with him at his best, or on his best day ever. Few would argue that,no matter what times have been run since.
Reading through this thread reminds me why I only occasionally visit here anymore. Really a horrible place.
NCAA Burn Out wrote:
Trialswatcher wrote:The NCAA over raced argument is so over blown it is hysterical, has been for years.
In the system itself, folks have no idea how many of those are all out efforts or not.
Cross Country is one of THE lightest competed varsity sports of all. Many elites run not more than one 8K and two-three 10Ks in 4 months. ReallY?
The sport has become all about trainng and harly any racing.
You THINK that is too much?
I think it hysterical, no sport is more lightly competed than Track and Field , it is one of the reasons it has such little traction for fandom or support, plus all the excuse making .
Last NCAA runner to medal in the Olympics was bronze Johnny Grey in 1992.
Rupp and Manzano medalled in 2012.
I'm guessing he means in the 800m(Gray), not any event.
Gray only went to Santa Monica JC, so he never raced at the NCAA level.
JR
I do not disagree with you .."Better places exist" Just wondering why you have not yet found them or would bother to read on here?
The bottom line is this guy is a real "horror show" as far as American 800 running is concerned, can he beat a shifter off slower pace? I have no idea. Granville ran 1:46.x in HS? Never got better. Wheating ran 1:44.x has not run faster since. Andrews beat him twice and ran 1:44.71 the next year. never ran faster.
You never know , the 800 is a volatile event.
Right now? After Jock never improved, Symmonds on the back end, Johnson, who knows. Loxsom very very fast , but had stagnated, who is that guy?
Notably, he ran xc in high school, and very well, but did not, I believe, run it as a freshman. It hasn't hurt him at all to this point, but you do have to wonder whether going totally sprint-based is ideal to reach his maximum over time for a guy like this with already 1:45.9/4:07.
Notably, I know two very respected coaches who have seen him run 4 x 4 legs AND the mile and have said oh my gosh is he talented.
Might be the only guy we have seen in a while who could go sub 46 flat relay, 1:45 scratch and sub 4 if he attempted the mile in serious effort?
Surely the first guy in a while that could run sub 46 1:46 or better and 4:07 winning easy?
Not a lot of those frosh running around.
Grand Valley State Laker wrote:
West Michigan grown. Represent son!
Can I get bonus West Michigan running nerd points by asserting he's the best 800 guy to come out of that area since Ron Kutschinski in the 1960s.
Responding to Duuuuude!: I was the first to question the racing volume of NCAA D1 & D2 800 metres runners in this thread. I stated NCAA trained athletes have earned only 3 of last 11 Olympic gold medals in 800 metres. NCAA trained 800 metres runners have actually only earned 3 of last 14 Olympic gold medals. From stating this fact I been told that I am "dumb" and that I am an "idiot." Someone please state the optimum number of 400/800/1500/one mile races per year for an 800 metres runner. When Mary Decker was an 800/1500 specialist she left college to train in a way optimal for her needs. Same for Kim Gallagher. Eleven of last 14 Olympic gold 800 metres medalists were not NCAA student/athletes. So this won't be purely theoretical, high school &/or college 800 metres runners only respond to this, current or former please.