TCU and Baylor out! Ohio State in!

My over-riding point is that TCU/BAYLOR/OSU/FSU all had arguments, all valid, choosing a champion this way is stupid. 5 conference champs plus 3 at large, round one at top 4 seeds home stadium (alleviates the travel issue), Final 4 just like they do now.

The major improvement is that, in general, we can be pretty sure the top two teams are in. The SEC had a built in 50% chance to win every NC since 2005, and if you consider they weren't always playing the best of the rest (see ND two years ago), there chances were even better. This way you need to beat two quality teams, so even if one slips through and you have an easy round 1, a worthy opponent awaits you in the final.

16 teams in the playoffs is best. Dump the silly conference championship games. Limit the regular season to 11 games. 15 games are the max that would be played by the last two teams--same as it is now. Fifteen of the 30+ bowls would host a playoff game.

15 of the other bowls could be a second tier playoff of teams ranked 16-32.

30 bowls get to host a playoff game. That should satisfy just about everyone.

WWRD wrote:

My over-riding point is that TCU/BAYLOR/OSU/FSU all had arguments, all valid, choosing a champion this way is stupid. 5 conference champs plus 3 at large, round one at top 4 seeds home stadium (alleviates the travel issue), Final 4 just like they do now.

The major improvement is that, in general, we can be pretty sure the top two teams are in. The SEC had a built in 50% chance to win every NC since 2005, and if you consider they weren't always playing the best of the rest (see ND two years ago), there chances were even better. This way you need to beat two quality teams, so even if one slips through and you have an easy round 1, a worthy opponent awaits you in the final.

I agree, sort of. Eight gives every conference a shot, some more than two. Don't need to extend beyond eight. Or you could have play-ins like I suggested, like OSU-Baylor and FSU-TCU.

If Bama throttles OSU & TCU (and Baylor) win their bowl games, we've solved nothing. Eight still makes the regular season relevant.

I am convinced by the TCU/Baylor arguments that they should have been in the championship games. I am so convinced that I now believe that the playoffs should include 64 teams (32 from the West and 32 from the East).

This way we would have 16 games from each of the two regions and then work it down to 8, then 4, then 2, then the championship for each region (West and East). We would then crown Co-National Champions. The Big 12's system is brilliant and should be followed nationally.

Rube wrote:

I just don't think you can, with a straight face, drop the team ranked #3 all the way to #6 after they more than covered the spread on the last weekend just to save face because they aren't a brand name and they lost to another team in the same conference that thought they had an argument. I'm sure TCU would've welcomed and won a rematch with Baylor instead of settling for co-champion.

Thanks for solidifying your stupidity and irrelevance on this topic by continuing to make some version of this point.

You seem stuck in the mentality that once one team is ranked ahead of another, they must remain ahead unless they lose (or maybe if they don't cover the spread?)

The committee's job is to pick four teams at the end of the year to participate in this playoff. They probably shouldn't realize rankings prior to the final one, since it confusing dimwits like you, but some coach want to know where they stand throughout as a gauge for how much they need to run up the score in any given week and it's certainly good for ESPN's ratings.

Now, let's compare the committee to judges for Olympic gymnastics. Let's go with the parallel bars for example. There is a Russian gymnast who puts a bunch of complex flips and sh!t early in her routine, and that is where she racks up a lot of points with the judges. Her finish is kinda tame, so even though she sticks the dismount, the vast majority of her point total is earned in the first 75% of her program. Next, we have the American gymnast up. She saves some of the really big stuff until the end of her program, has a really complex dismount and also nails it. Overall the judges give the American 9.9 (I know they don't score this way in gymnastics any more, but let's pretend they do), and the Russian a score of 9.8.

However, let's say that the judges also released the scores that the gymnasts had earned at various points in the routines. The Russian (TCU), earned a 9.6 when 3/4ths done, and the little bit she did at the end raised her up to a 9.8. The American (OSU), was only at 9.2 however, when 3/4ths done. Since she did a lot of the complex flips and whatnot towards the end, her final score increased greater than the Russian's and she ends up winning.

Beating Iowa State is the equivalent of a single flip dismount, there's not a lot of potential there to increase overall score, even if it a damn good flip. No matter how badly you beat Iowa State, it's just not that impressive.

Beating Wisconsin 59-0 at a neutral site, however, is comparable to 4 flips, 2 twists, a half gainer, and a triple lindy on dismount - it is going to raise your score.

WWRD wrote:

My over-riding point is that TCU/BAYLOR/OSU/FSU all had arguments, all valid, choosing a champion this way is stupid. 5 conference champs plus 3 at large, round one at top 4 seeds home stadium (alleviates the travel issue), Final 4 just like they do now.

The major improvement is that, in general, we can be pretty sure the top two teams are in. The SEC had a built in 50% chance to win every NC since 2005, and if you consider they weren't always playing the best of the rest (see ND two years ago), there chances were even better. This way you need to beat two quality teams, so even if one slips through and you have an easy round 1, a worthy opponent awaits you in the final.

We STILL will have the same discussion with 8. For example, who do you put in between Ole Miss and Mississippi St? As of now state would be in the playoff but the team that beat them in the last game would be outside looking in at #9. We know we have all of the teams who have legitimately earned the right play for one with a 4 team playoff, but we also haven't diluted the regular season or ruined the bowl structure.

Agreed. Four is enough and the committee got the right teams in there. Play on.

The name calling must feel good.

Your pristine example of gymnastics, individualized and high risk/high reward as it is, assumes the Russian judge isn't going to be highly biased or subjective to collaborative bribes in her assessment. You also make the very important point that the gymnasts (teams) don't know the scores going to the last round.

Here's the deal. Let's pretend OSU was in the #3 spot as TCU was but was playing lowly Indiana in the last game. No way does OSU end up #6 even if they only muster a 24-21 win. BECAUSE THEY ARE OSU. Even if TCU was #6 and beat up on Baylor in the last game, they still wouldn't have been elevated above OSU and you damn well know it, unlike the other way around.

What else could TCU have done? The schedule was what it was. Would a 100-3 thrashing of Iowa State, a 2-10 Iowa State that beat bowl-eligible Iowa btw (and took the mighty Badgers in your example to the wire) have been good enough? The answer is no.

The Big Ten just wasn't very good. Almost all ratings systems recognize this, placing them near the bottom of the major conferences. Alabama will prove this yet again.

UR not a football guru... four teams is weak... the committee did not get it right.

Now go study football playoffs--any level; HS to Pros--and be shocked that the top four teams did not usually make in to the semifinals.

Fail @ 4 wrote:

UR not a football guru... four teams is weak... the committee did not get it right.

Now go study football playoffs--any level; HS to Pros--and be shocked that the top four teams did not usually make in to the semifinals.

Hahaha so you are saying that "usually" the top 4 teams are all eliminated prior to the semifinals in professional and high school sports? Christ. Don't post, ever. It is the best thing for you.

STOP REFERENCING TCU BEING #3 AND GOING TO #6. I already explained this to you, and others have explained this to you. I AM HOPING THAT ALL CAPS HELPS YOU WITH THIS CONCEPT IN SOME WAY. THE COMMITTEE RE-RANKS EACH WEEK. THE PREVIOUS WEEK'S RANKINGS HAVE NO VALUE THE NEXT WEEK. THIS IS NOT THE AP POLL. EACH WEEK IS A NEW RANKING WITH THE CURRENT, AND ONLY THE CURRENT RESUME BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. ONCE THE OTHER THREE TEAMS HAD QUALITY WINS THAT TCU ALREADY FACTORED INTO THEIR RESUMES, TCU FELL TO WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE.

Goodness sakes alive. Such naughtiness for a minor lrc troll.

I see what you did there.

dial it up and football guru are each other's BFs.

Fail @ 4 wrote:

Goodness sakes alive. Such naughtiness for a minor lrc troll.

I see what you did there.

dial it up and football guru are each other's BFs.

No no, you don't get off with some random dimwit comment. I will define usually, first off.

Usually- under normal conditions; generally.

Now please tell me how USUALLY the best 4 teams are eliminated prior to the semifinals in high school and professional sports.

sorry. so so sorry. i promise not to type in caps every again. please forgive me for my momentary rudeness.

I apologize to everyone on this internet chat site. My son is suffering from a mental illness. I disconnected his internet but can still use it. I don't know what to do. Should I call the mental hospital so they can figure out what drug he needs?

Thats what I thought. Think before you post dumb shit.

that's it dial. you are officially licked out of the basement and this house. now go get a job you little POS.

There would be some "we should be #8" discussion in an 8 teamer, but not nearly this, why? Because the rest of the nation wouldn't care, if you can't get in the 8, your chances of winning it all aren't that good anyhow. Said another way, there is diminishing angst as you grow the field about the teams left out, either that or we do what the tard above keeps saying and play all 128 :)

No playoff system will ever be acceptable to everyone. Nor is there a perfect system. What we do know, however, is that a four team playoff is infinitely superior to what we had before.