Opinionated guy wrote:
tse wrote:I've heard interesting rumors about athlete's through the years but I haven't heard a single questionable thing about the NOP.
What about the visits to the doctor in Utah who is an authority on EPO? That is not questionable?
Source?
What in the lord's name is wrong with you? An adrenaline (i.e. epinephrine) shot is intramuscular. If you injected it into your neck you might pierce your carotid artery or jugular vein and DIE."Autoinjector: 0.3 mg (contents of 1 autoinjector) SC/IM once in anterolateral aspect of the thigh; may repeat dose after 5-15 minutes if symptoms persist"http://reference.medscape.com/drug/epipen-jr-epinephrine-342437This juust hurts the credibility of the Rupp haters.
Ad Man wrote:
slipper sam wrote:The adrenaline story resurfaces....
scroll down and its mentioned at the games with Farrah.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5015019&page=12"Rupp takes adrenaline shots before races in case he has an asthma attack. He doesn't even have severe asthma and he injects the shots into his legs, not the appropriate area which is his neck. "
http://www.tracktalk.net/drugged-gills-t7931.html?p=390382
tghpdx wrote:
Source?
Pictures of the group in the parking lot with the sign in the background.
Kara Goucher publically thanking the doctor and following it by putting her hand over her mouth and saying "Oops".
Enough heat and questions that Salazar eventually admitting that they were there to explore everything possible to get better, but insinuating it was from a legal standpoint.
I saw the pics on a link from this site. Can't recall where I saw Kara's interview, but it was first hand that I saw it.
I am not making accusations. A previous poster said NOP has done "nothing questionable". I view visiting the authority on EPO (Dr. Gunderson) as questionable.
If you search Dr. Gunderson you might find some information.
BK and Komen and the other kenyans he used to train with did 1600-1200-800-400 as their go to test workout. Kennedy told me that one time Komen ran 3:53 2:54 1:48 48. Also, the group in kenya that is led by abdi bile who Rudisha sometimes works out with did a workout last spring that rupp or anyone else in american history wouldn't even think about doing...3x800 with 8 minutes between reps. jog a mile. 1x400. 1:48, 1:47, 1:47, 47. (rudisha did not do this particular workout).
Mr Renato Canova, feel free to confirm these because i'm sure no one will believe these workouts
The workout rupp did is really not that special compared to these, does that mean that those guys are all doping and Rupp is in the clear? I dont really care.
Alberto even says that galen and mo are not capable of doing the workouts that the kenyans and ethiopians do, guess that means that they are all doping
Obviously you don't know Craig very well. He is the most kind hearted and giving person I know. He cares tremendously about the sport and is about giving back. If you live so close to him, why don't you ask to meet him for a cup of coffee or something. He's the type of guy that would do anything for anyone. He doesn't need much in life but truly was given a gift to give to others.
Levins crashed badly in the CR 5000, but bounced back to drop Rupp in the w/o after, Rupp waving the white flag for the final 400. Is Cam even more doped than Rupp?
These are just really fit, talented guys. People wonder why most groups don't share there training, keep it like a state secret. There is only downside to demonstrating their capabilities, at least on blogs and internet forums. Kudos to NOP for sharing as much as they have, it really is unprecedented.
I trained under Dr. Stray-Gunderson's supervision in Park City in 2000... he's an expert on altitude training and the body's response to "Live High, Train Low" theory. These are professionals seeking professional opinions and direction on how to maximize their training.
There are many people on these boards who are talking like they know but most likely have never been professional or know anybody who is professional. You all sound like a bunch of idiotic high schoolers or dumb old men.
If you know anything about running you know this is almost impossible to a nature human body. Everyone knows Salazar's team is on the Thyroid medications, because a doctor says they get too tired from running. So they have a thyroid problems that needs medication. Thus recovering an unbelievable rate.
And if you know anything about professional sports, then you would know of how many people get caught way after success. Why? Because they know how to cheat the system without getting caught. They only get caught because they messed up the drug intake routine.
Get your heads out of the clouds.
Opinionated guy wrote:
tghpdx wrote:Source?
Pictures of the group in the parking lot with the sign in the background.
Kara Goucher publically thanking the doctor and following it by putting her hand over her mouth and saying "Oops".
Enough heat and questions that Salazar eventually admitting that they were there to explore everything possible to get better, but insinuating it was from a legal standpoint.
I saw the pics on a link from this site. Can't recall where I saw Kara's interview, but it was first hand that I saw it.
I am not making accusations. A previous poster said NOP has done "nothing questionable". I view visiting the authority on EPO (Dr. Gunderson) as questionable.
If you search Dr. Gunderson you might find some information.
A 5 minute google search returns nothing suspiscious. He is a doctor who specializes in human performance. No mentions of EPO (except letsrun) and multiple accounts of his anti-doping work.
So your evidence of doping is a doctor you incorrectly labeled and an interview you can't remember.
Opinionated guy wrote:
tghpdx wrote:Source?
Pictures of the group in the parking lot with the sign in the background.
Kara Goucher publically thanking the doctor and following it by putting her hand over her mouth and saying "Oops".
Enough heat and questions that Salazar eventually admitting that they were there to explore everything possible to get better, but insinuating it was from a legal standpoint.
I saw the pics on a link from this site. Can't recall where I saw Kara's interview, but it was first hand that I saw it.
I am not making accusations. A previous poster said NOP has done "nothing questionable". I view visiting the authority on EPO (Dr. Gunderson) as questionable.
If you search Dr. Gunderson you might find some information.
A 5 minute google search returns nothing suspiscious. He is a doctor who specializes in human performance. No mentions of EPO (except letsrun) and multiple accounts of his anti-doping work.
So your evidence of doping is a doctor you incorrectly labeled and an interview you can't remember.
part of the problem wrote:
Haven't we witnessed enough athletes get busted without testing positive to know that it is not a indication of innocence?
Added Perspective wrote:
What is? Or, do you actually prefer to remain cynical and bash every professional runner who establishes impressive new Personal Records?
I'm sorry, but even the skeptical "guilty until proven innocent" crowd needs to establish some ground rules regarding what does prove their innocence!
The silence is deafening.
As others have implied, the majority of the doping accusations within the LRC boards seem to be authored by people who are fans of track and field, but their ignorance outweighs their expertise. Nothing new, I'm afraid.
I have no dog in this race. However, when I see smoke I suspect fire. I have seen how many people truly believe that if they are ahead of the curve and what they are taking is not on the banned list, then they are clean. I do not have the time or motivation to do the research for you. Again, I am not accusing anyone. I do see a LOT of smoke in MANY areas, so I am very suspicious.
The saddest part IMHO is that someone like Mary Cain will be accused in the future simply for hitching their wagon to this mess, if it is indeed a big money driven Nike mess.
Have always said at this level where the financial gain is tremendous - -if you have the funds you contract a physician and pharmacists to your team.
No way Geb or Tergat could have done this workout back when they were at their peak. I'd doubt Komen could have come back with 5 mile repeats after his sub 8 min two mile as well, and he has been accused of juicing as well.
Here's my take on the whole NOP post-race workout phenomenon.
It's possible that if a runner gets in the habit of following races with workouts, they'll start forgetting how to give a 100% effort in races, because it's in the back of their mind that they have to do a workout afterwards. These "races" are just the opening rep in an interval session, and it's kinda rude to the audience who came to see a dramatic, balls-to-the-wall athletic event.
Or maybe it's all just a coverup. Maybe Alberto Salazar knows that he has maxed the speed of his athletes and isn't going to churn out any epic performances, so instead he's trying to impress by showing that they're fit enough to do good performances with workouts afterwards. Very similar idea to moving up to a longer distance because you can't get any faster at short distances.
runnerboy1 wrote:
Have always said at this level where the financial gain is tremendous - -if you have the funds you contract a physician and pharmacists to your team.
No way Geb or Tergat could have done this workout back when they were at their peak. I'd doubt Komen could have come back with 5 mile repeats after his sub 8 min two mile as well, and he has been accused of juicing as well.
Maybe not, but he did go over to the warmup track about 40 minutes later and rip off 10x800s with 2 minute rest. Ran the first 8 at 2:05-2:03 and then went 1:57, 1:53 for his last 2
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
fjord fl fjord wrote:I'm under the impression that TUEs have to be submitted to and approved by some official governing body. Just because your oiddly butt doesn't know the details doesn't mean anything is amiss.
Of course they have to be approved, idiot. And of course Virgin and Fam know the details.
The ACTUAL QUESTION is whether the "exceptions" should be made transparent. Would you want to know if they guy you were racing had a TUE allowing him to take HGH? Because it's happening.
Just because you don't know it doesn't mean nothing is amiss.
Please share the exceptions.
Yawn..has ben wrote:
I stopped paying attention to CV the person after seeing his FB posts over and over again, making every thing about him, (not including this one) The one that topped it off for me was when he replied to Jack Waitz after Grete passed away. Like everyone, CV passed on his condolences but then managed to insert a "well as you know such and such happened to me, so I can relate" comment. Classless, tasteless...
Most FB posts are about the person who owns the FB page. FB is pretty much "look at me".
Lance was claiming to be clean in the dirtiest sport in the world and all the time beating everyone who got caught. Lance was good, but you don't beat the cheaters everytime.
As far as Rupp is concerned yes, he won a silver in the olympics, but if everything was like people claim where was his wc medal?
gamer wrote:
redux wrote:Crazy recovery tricks. Jordan and Alexi have used it too.
http://t.co/pLKpnaUTXGhttp://t.co/adAEEdDMtqthose are from triathlon and they don't do sh**
I have used them. Seem to work. Idea is solid. Probably better than an ice bath and WAY more comfortable!