Craig Virgin and Fam have interesting comments on Rupp and NOPe

Almost as interesting is who has "liked" the facebook post by virgin.

Oh, just a former member of the NOP - Steve Magness.

Edumicated wrote:

Virgin calls into question Rupp, Salazar and the NOPers:

https://www.facebook.com/craigvirginrunner

And of twitter. Fam posts some timely tweets:

Anthony Famiglietti ‏@recklessrunning 2h

Miraculous performances that are divinely inspired & rooted in truth are rare, but affect change in us forever. Aim for these when you run.

Anthony Famiglietti ‏@recklessrunning 2h

A magic show can be impressive, but we go home largely unaffected as we understand the misdirection & deception that took place.

Just because Virgin didnt do a workout after his races, does it mean Rupp a doped because they choice to do a workout after?

And Fam well......not much to say he believes everyone faster then him is doped.

hmm.... makes you wonder... wrote:

Almost as interesting is who has "liked" the facebook post by virgin.

Oh, just a former member of the NOP - Steve Magness.

Looks like Magness has withdrawn his 'like'.

Fam's tweets are favorited by former NOP- Kara Goucher.

I wouldn't worry about what Virgin thinks. With respect to the workout, Galen did 10k type effort for 4 miles, then blasted a mile. It didn't scream of anything more than a hard effort that was controlled for 80% of it after a race. The last mile was impressive, but in the 70s and 80s read about other talented runners doing similar efforts in training (Coe, Pre, Walker, Bayi, Viren, Ovett, etc). This screams more of either jealousy or incompetence. Although I respect what Virgin did, there is nothing that tells me he knows enough about training itself to question what salazar is doing or to think that what Galen is doing in training other runners have not. What could Geb, Komen, Bekele, etc have done? Read about the famous workouts by Geb, Tergat, Ngugi, Coe, etc. I seem to recall Kennedy talking about his workouts with his group (including Komen) and saying incredible times were run by the entire group. I don't think Kennedy was doped, nor do I think these guys are. Just have to let the doubters speak their mind. A lot of these runners are tested in and out of competition year round. As of now, when has Galen tested positive and when Virgin talks of 'remarkable recovery/regeneration' how does he know what Galen is doing before or after these races? It is speculation at best.

Haven't we witnessed enough athletes get busted without testing positive to know that it is not a indication of innocence?

Virgin was with AW and living in Eugene when things started getting shady. He's known Salazar for 30 years. He knows a lot about recovery after maximum efforts. If Babe Ruth were alive in 1995, he'd be making similar comments about McGuire and Sosa.

Funny example: Babe Ruth broke the single season record four times, going from 29 in 1919 (the previous record had been 27), to 54 in 1920 (when only one other team, playing in a small park, had as many as Ruth), to 59 in 1921, to 60 in 1927. Drugs, right?

bam bam wrote:

Virgin was with AW and living in Eugene when things started getting shady. He's known Salazar for 30 years. He knows a lot about recovery after maximum efforts. If Babe Ruth were alive in 1995, he'd be making similar comments about McGuire and Sosa.

Virgin is saying what everyone with a brain is thinking.

"I wish USATF would release what Therapeutic Use Exemption medical treatments that Galen is on that may give us one hint of what is really going on here. I am tired of rumors about TUE's and we need some transparency in this area to maintain the integrity in our sport."

What would be the problem with this?

I think that we would all like to believe in elite performances and a fair playing field.

Henry Rono was probably the most outrageously talented runner of all time.

Rono could not have done Rupp's workout.

Rono was also slower than Rupp, so I don't know why he's your go to. Bekele and Daniel Komen could have done this workout pretty easily, I think.

Rono was clean. That's the difference.

bam bam wrote:

Henry Rono was probably the most outrageously talented runner of all time.

Rono could not have done Rupp's workout.

Proof please. Don't spew your personal opinion as fact. If you're trying to make an argument base it in fact or label it as "in my opinion". In this thread alone you've done it several times. It's super annoying.

Rono also rarely got in the sort of shape that allowed him to get into better shape.

It's hard to compare a guy who is trying to do everything perfectly with a guy who was rolling out of bed hungover and playing catch-up with his basic fitness.

bam bam wrote:

Henry Rono was probably the most outrageously talented runner of all time.

Rono could not have done Rupp's workout.

is there any serious runner on lrc who couldn't do this workout:

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Two mile PR

rest an hour

4 x mile at 10k pace

1 x mile at 3k pace, 12 seconds off his one mile PR

___

That is a tough day, but I could probably do that without much strain, and I run only 50 mpw and am not that talented. A guy running 100 mpw and has world class talent - that's probably not a huge workout.

Rupp isn't Bekele and he's not Daniel Komen except perhaps in a pharmaceutical sense. No one runs WR pace for 75% of any distance and then comes back to run a workout like that.

Kara Goucher and Magness both favorited the Fam tweet. That certainly makes me wonder. There is a clear implication that they both agree with Fam's sentiment that Rupp's performance is not fully legitimate. But if they know something illicit is going on at the NOP, why don't they say anything? Prior to this, I actually put a lot of stock in former NOP athletes not calling out the program for any sketchy business going on. Are they on some sort of non-disclosure order?? I don't get it.

concernedcitizen wrote:

Kara Goucher and Magness both favorited the Fam tweet. That certainly makes me wonder. There is a clear implication that they both agree with Fam's sentiment that Rupp's performance is not fully legitimate. But if they know something illicit is going on at the NOP, why don't they say anything? Prior to this, I actually put a lot of stock in former NOP athletes not calling out the program for any sketchy business going on. Are they on some sort of non-disclosure order?? I don't get it.

maybe when Kara leaves nike this year she'll say something.