LETSRUN OFFICIAL 1500m THREAD!

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ttc wrote:

Centro won Silver, DESPITE his tactics.

He got himself boxed in late, until about 75m left. By then Kip was out of range & other runners gained momentum & ground on Centro. But physically, he overcame. And none of this, "Well Centro wasn't trying to beat Kip anyway" or "It wouldn't have happened". This in a year a HS junior finished 10th in the world.

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Centro was boxed until 75m left. He overcame the bad tactic. "Boxed in" is already defined, so don't foster a new definition for this thread only.

In a season when a HS junior finished 10th, no one can say Centro wasn't capable of 1st. I would've liked to see a "free" Centro uninhibited from 400m out. He finished 2011 WC in :51 in a 3:36 race, gaining ground on everyone that last lap, but was back at 1100m.

First, Centro's race doesn't follow from Mary Cain's. So a 17 year old made it to the final and finished near the back, and that means anything is possible? In fact just the opposite; she came in with a time that suggested she wouldn't compete and indeed she didn't compete.

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Centro wasn't boxed in, not really. He was following Kiprop the whole way out, which means he would definitely have an open lane to the finish unless Kiprop had an awful day. He didn't need to look for an out because the box was open.

Now, does that spot Kiprop the gold? Yeah, pretty much, but any other tactic would've forced him to swing wide for the pass, which wouldn't have worked. Reference Lagat's loss to El G.

Jarrod wrote:

Full video in (questionable) HD with English commentary:

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Best race video I've seen so far. Thanks.

Just be glad centro didn't drop out.

Fanned Boi wrote:

A Duck wrote: BW, you are indeed an idiot. 95% of what you post here is hateful and mean.

When you look in the mirror, you see hate.

100% of this comment is hateful and mean.

Yes, but my other percentages are much better!

ttc wrote:

Centro was boxed until 75m left. He overcame the bad tactic. "Boxed in" is already defined, so don't foster a new definition for this thread only.

In a season when a HS junior finished 10th, no one can say Centro wasn't capable of 1st. I would've liked to see a "free" Centro uninhibited from 400m out. He finished 2011 WC in :51 in a 3:36 race, gaining ground on everyone that last lap, but was back at 1100m.

ROFL

Hey, aren't you the guy who said Ritz had a good shot at a medal?

Sorry, but you lost all credibility with that one. From there on out your posts are good for a laugh - nothing more.

ttc wrote:

In a season when a HS junior finished 10th, no one can say Centro wasn't capable of 1st.

Nice use (2nd use actually) of completely irrelevant information (Cain).

Pulled a Muscle Yawning wrote:

A Duck wrote: To anyone who thinks he dopes, I dare you to call his father's line at American University, and leave your real name and real phone number.

Although I agree with your defense of Centro, I would say your challenge is a pretty bold dare coming from someone who doesn't even have the stones to post under his true identity instead of the anonymous "A Duck."

Am I any better in choosing to stay anonymous? No, but nor do I spout defensive opinions on a daily basis as you do. Show some sack.

What purpose would that serve?

I could tell you I was Rudy Chapa or Jim Hill, and what would happen?

Some people would be impressed and compliment and ask questions. And then the haters would post attacks under different names creating a "dogpile" as one person called it, trying to make it appear as if there was a consensus vis a vis the attacks...and that is why all the real name name/former name people have left over the years.

I'll tell you what, if this place had been run respectfully from the start, I would have posted under my real name, and those threads asking about Dellinger's approach and training? --I would have scanned an entire year of his workouts (I still have the weekly sheets put in my locker every Monday AM), and made them available for free on line.

But because there are so many people allowed to act like aszholes here; because there are so many flat out liars here; because those liars change their handle every time and try to make it seem like there's truth or consensus to their lies...no.

You don't get my real name; you don't get my best inside stories*, and you don't get such content as the Dellinger workouts. (*I have a story from the last NCAA's that is blow your head off insider great entertaining, hilarious, and positive stuff, and no, because some of you had to ruin it for the rest over the years, no, this place doesn't get that content. --And I am on record, years ago, that because of the behavior here, I will not give away great stories and content here. The bad actors, and the brojo's don't deserve it.)

The bad apples have spoiled it for the rest of you; and the only way to counter that is to report their posts, email the brojo's and call out the bad actors as you see them post.

That's the way it goes.

Jarrod wrote:

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Jarrod, freaking awesome, I owe you a subway. ;)

To "Lesbian Estonian," posting name of the week.

Why would he drop out? He hasn't dropped out of any major meets. He drops out of some regular season meet and people here go nuts. Qualify for a WC final, then pop off.

Centro himself acknowledged he was boxed in. Bad tactics, great physically.

**Show me** where I said Ritz had a **good** chance at Bronze. I said his ceiling, if all went perfect, was Bronze. Much of the field had that same ceiling. Ceiling is not prediction.

Far as Cain, reread & learn my point, or hire a tutor.

Wondering in the West wrote:

Why would he drop out? He hasn't dropped out of any major meets. He drops out of some regular season meet and people here go nuts. Qualify for a WC final, then pop off.

It's the only race he's ever dropped out of in his life. The reason stated was that he had a bad reaction to jetlag.

He did drop out of a race in college, when he broke a bone in his foot, but he doesn't count that as dropping out, who would?

Seems like everyone is angry.

I am pumped Centro got a silver! Centrum Silver!

He beat everyone except the best miler in the world right now!

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I feel exactly like you.Some times you just got to admit the better guy won. It wasn't tactics. Great job by Matt Jr.

why don't the brojo's deserve it?

I'm going to defend A Duck here. This board could be much better. Just days ago, clowns said Allyson Felix took a dive 50 meters into her race. REALLY? She trained all year to take a dive? Then ultra-sound shows a tear and people are still trashing her.

But everyone gets trashed here, from Billy Mills to Pre to Coe to Lagat to Rupp (all the time) to Centro to Leo to Solinsky, Derrick, Ritz, Bekele, etc. Doesn't matter how good you are, how classy you are, the accomplishments you've received, you will feel the wrath of the jealous fun runners and middling college and post-collegiate runners on LetsRun.

I'm one who would like to read those Dellinger workouts from A Duck, or get insights into the UO program past and present. But he's wise not to put his name up or divulge anything. The haters have set the tone for this board -- and they've won. While it would take a lot of work -- perhaps they should hire a full-time message board monitor -- I think the brothers Johnson should weed out 3/4's of the garbage spewed here. I know it will never happen. I'm not sure why it won't happen.

You a newbie?

(Your question is asked and answered above, they facilitate it.)

Thank you.

The reason they won't clean this place up is greed, and complacency. They give other reasons, and then don't hold to the standards of those reasons themselves.

They could easily, and cheaply outsource the moderating of this board off shore. Many publications do that now. It's cost very, very little.

Because they don't, the most important people lose. The genuine fans, the good faith athletes, the good actors.

Everyone suffers at the hands of the bad actors and libelers here; all so the Lojo's can make a few dollars.

Their fear is that they couldn't revamp this place and do as well. They're living in fear, too afraid to find out. If you go back in history in the forum you can see that there are tons of people that would have stuck around and had good fun and good faith conversations on the sport.

Tons of elites would visit too.

But, LRC and the Lojo's have blown that. They owe the sport a big apology.

What does one thing have to do with another?

A high school girl running well has no correlation to what these men are doing.

Kiprop was the class of the field and was shutting it down and waving his finger befor he crossed the line.

Centro2 absolutely maximized his finishing place and would have needed a failure by Kiprop to win.

I'm not new, just don't come here that often. I agree they should moderate the board. At the least they should require posting by registered users only, that way people couldn't post endlessly under new names.

However, I don't think they owe an apology. This is still the best running site out there, and its their choice how to run the boards. Even with moderators, there would still be a ton of garbage that couldn't be cleaned up. So its a matter of degree and tolerance, and the brojos probably decided the marginal gain isn't worth the cost.