Maybe the jogger was pissed cuz you didn't give him the obligatory 'Good Job!'.
I AM HERE! I AM RUNNING! I AM DOING A GOOD JOB! NOW GIVE ME MY 'GOOD JOB'!
Maybe the jogger was pissed cuz you didn't give him the obligatory 'Good Job!'.
I AM HERE! I AM RUNNING! I AM DOING A GOOD JOB! NOW GIVE ME MY 'GOOD JOB'!
TKTKTK wrote:
Once, while running on Hope Street in Providence from Lippitt Park towards Brown, I caught up to a kid running pretty strong. He would not let me pass him - I surged, then he surged, and without really talking about it we soon got into a pretty decent contest. He wasn't a small-framed runner either, but a decently big guy with a most inefficient stride. Anyway, I couldn't drop him and we ended up really tearing it up until we got to the campus. Before turning off to head to his dorm, the kid told me he rowed crew and asked me if I was, like, a runner. I told him that I had recently run a marathon in a time that I was psyched about but that wouldn't cause a ripple on these boards. He lit up and said, "Wow. A real runner! Cool." or something like that. Anyway, he was stoked to have pushed and been pushed by someone he considered a formidable athlete. I had fun, he was thrilled, I got a little workout in on a day that I hadn't planned one, and we both experienced, spontaneously, a big part of what sport is about: smashing antlers. Nobody was there to cheer us and nothing was on the line but our own will to win.
I guess what I'm saying is that there are times when you can just embrace someone else's willingness to push themselves. I also appreciate that running can serve a number of purposes, including giving the runner some much-needed space and time alone, but I suspect that your solitude is only rarely interrupted by another runner. When it is, maybe that's your cue to celebrate the collaborative aspect of running. Lord knows, there's enough folks out there who hate your stupid shorts, inane t-shirts, and unimpressive physique - even some other runners/joggers. Next time, maybe just run with the guy or gal and see if you can become friends and mutually helpful competitors.
haven't had the silent battle turned positive/respectful at finish but i have slowed and run with people i've passed, and it's a pretty great thing. this post is an excellent reminder.
WhitePony wrote:
Once a runner, now a jogger wrote:I always get a kick out of someone who is too simple to understand something and then they need to resort to name calling.
Oh the irony...
So now I need to explain to you why my post wasn't ironical? Okay, here goes. I posted a story that based on what was said, you didn't have nearly enough information to call someone an egotistical ass. When I tried to explain this to you in more detail so you could see he was not being an egotistical ass, you proceeded to call me an egotistical ass. You didn't understand something and therefore your comeback was to name call.
I never called someone a name because I didn't understand something. In fact, from your posts it was very easy to see that you are simple. Not necessarily a bad thing, but pretty obvious from your bashing someone that you couldn't possibly know.
I know by now you are never going to understand any of this and will keep on bashing things you can't admit that you are lacking in knowledge of, but I thought it was at least worth a shot to try and help.
strike wrote:
Hell, if I thought every run was about maintaining a pace and simply observing the world, I'd watch the Discovery Channel on a treadmill.
I DO watch TV on the treadmill at the gym. But it is SO annoying when I hear the guy (who is clearly more of a weightlifter than a runner) killing himself on the treadmill next to me, and then I glance down and see his speed is set 0.1 mph higher than MY speed.
Once a runner, now a jogger wrote:
We showed them in an unconventional and fun way that ended up getting the point across much better than just simply telling them did.
Word of advice for the future. When something is too hard for you to understand, try to ask questions that might help you to better understand something.
Well, since you said to ask questions... why use the term "we"? From your story, you played no part in this.
this may hurt a little wrote:
Once a runner, now a jogger wrote:We showed them in an unconventional and fun way that ended up getting the point across much better than just simply telling them did.
Word of advice for the future. When something is too hard for you to understand, try to ask questions that might help you to better understand something.
Well, since you said to ask questions... why use the term "we"? From your story, you played no part in this.
Fair enough. To give more detail, it was the All-American runner that did this, but we knew what was going on and encouraged it if the situation seemed appropriate. We didn't do this on the first day or even first week. We always preached to the newcomers to make your hard days hard and your easy days easy. For a freshman trying to prove himself, they often did not listen to this advice. After awhile we just realized it was time to do the subtle pace pick up trick. Some of the top runners would sometimes run with the All-American on his easy days, but none of us could do this day in and day out. On the day the lesson was going to take place, we would let the All-American get a bit ahead of the main group and sure enough, the "train hard all the time" freshman would leave the group and start running with the All-American. For most of us it would be noticeable if we started picking it up to 5:40, 5:30, 5:20 pace, but he could do it without anyone noticing it. The newbie would be running along thinking they were going 5:50 pace and since the increase was so subtle he really wouldn't notice the increase except for the fact that he was getting really tired. Eventually he would drop off and see the team a 1/4 mile behind and realize what happened. We always talked with them afterwards and explained why we did what we did; to make sure they were running THEIR easy day pace, not the pace of a 13:40 5k guy.
Once a runner, now a jogger wrote:
So now I need to explain to you why my post wasn't ironical? Okay, here goes. I posted a story that based on what was said, you didn't have nearly enough information to call someone an egotistical ass. When I tried to explain this to you in more detail so you could see he was not being an egotistical ass, you proceeded to call me an egotistical ass. You didn't understand something and therefore your comeback was to name call.
I never called someone a name because I didn't understand something. In fact, from your posts it was very easy to see that you are simple. Not necessarily a bad thing, but pretty obvious from your bashing someone that you couldn't possibly know.
I know by now you are never going to understand any of this and will keep on bashing things you can't admit that you are lacking in knowledge of, but I thought it was at least worth a shot to try and help.
You can continue with your pseudointellectual insights all you like, it still doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
WhitePony wrote:
You can continue with your pseudointellectual insights all you like, it still doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
Okay, I know the All-American personally, I was around when this would happen and so I think I know a little more about the situation than you do. I am going to assume you are a troll and I am playing along with it, but if you really aren't a troll, wow, just wow.
If it makes you feel better you can assume I am the Queen of England for all I care, it still doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
WhitePony wrote:
If it makes you feel better you can assume I am the Queen of England for all I care, it still doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
Actually, YOU (White P*ssy) is wrong here. What the other guy described is exactly how the Southeastern University runners in "Once A Runner" (The greatest book ever written) initiated their freshmen morning run heroes)
AND NOBODY! I mean NOBODY! Messed with Bruce Denton, the All-American clock cleaner.
You're been served.
You're been served? Ok, thanks...
Seb Low wrote:
I never let some pass me without a fight. It is a mindset that makes you a better runner. No lie, I once was running out and back on Kelly Drive in Philly, started at the Art Museum and went out to Falls Bridge (4.2 miles). I get to the half way mark and stop for 30 seconds to stretch when I see a runner headed in the same direction I will be running and he is about 50 meters away and will need to cross the intersection. I immediately take off running close to 6:55 pace, after about a mile, I glance back and see he is within 20 meters....I drop down to 6:30 and the race is on....I continue to glance back and he gets as close as my shoulder and attempts to say something...i had head phones on but could not hear him....I drop to 6:15 and with about 1 mile to go and gap him by 20 meters again....in my mind the second he passed me, I would stopped running.......he never got clsoe again and I stopped at the Art Museum and he hobbled pass and gave me the finger.....i mouthed the words "loser"....
One of my favorite runs ever....
That's amazing. I had a very similar run except I saw this guy ahead of me stretch and his car key must of fell out of his key pocket because it was on the ground. I kept trying to catch up and tell him but every time I caught up he would speed up. Right around boathouse row I gave up. I saw him at the end of the run and since he had his headphones on I showed him the key I had wrapped around my finger. But he just mouthed something at me
so I said screw it and ended up tossing the key in the trash.
Oh well
I remember I passed this guy out running once. It was at a municipal park and I was running on a loop around the perimeter of the park that was about 4 miles long. So about two miles after I passed this guy I stopped at the public restroom and pooped. When I get done I walked out, sat down on the side of the trail and took off my shoe to get a rock out. As was sitting there the guy ran past and and said to me, "Hah! Couldn't maintain that pace could you!"
Who cares about pace or running with a watch except for workouts?
This is the stupidest discussion of all time. Why not just say "Passing on your left" like a normal person?
Ghost of Jerry Mizner wrote:
AND NOBODY! I mean NOBODY! Messed with Bruce Denton, the All-American clock cleaner.
The best part about that post was that I read it as "Bruce Denton, the All-American c*ck cleaner."
Holy f uck that was the best comment I've ever read thank you.
I remember the one time someone tried to race me on the trails. He was running about 5 flat mile pace and passed me so I picked it up to 3:23 mile. When he got tired after 2 miles he slowed down gasping for breath. I then proceeded to bending him over and punishing his @sshole. He said there were no hard feelings afterword.
...maybe he was doing a fartlek workout and the play factor was to try to keep up with anybody who passed him for as long as he could......that would be a good motivational workout at any level of talent, with or without abuse from the unknowing passing runner...Thanks TKTKTK for sharing a nice little anecodote.
TKTKTK wrote:
Once, while running on Hope Street in Providence from Lippitt Park towards Brown, I caught up to a kid running pretty strong. He would not let me pass him - I surged, then he surged, and without really talking about it we soon got into a pretty decent contest. He wasn't a small-framed runner either, but a decently big guy with a most inefficient stride. Anyway, I couldn't drop him and we ended up really tearing it up until we got to the campus. Before turning off to head to his dorm, the kid told me he rowed crew and asked me if I was, like, a runner. I told him that I had recently run a marathon in a time that I was psyched about but that wouldn't cause a ripple on these boards. He lit up and said, "Wow. A real runner! Cool." or something like that. Anyway, he was stoked to have pushed and been pushed by someone he considered a formidable athlete. I had fun, he was thrilled, I got a little workout in on a day that I hadn't planned one, and we both experienced, spontaneously, a big part of what sport is about: smashing antlers. Nobody was there to cheer us and nothing was on the line but our own will to win.
I guess what I'm saying is that there are times when you can just embrace someone else's willingness to push themselves. I also appreciate that running can serve a number of purposes, including giving the runner some much-needed space and time alone, but I suspect that your solitude is only rarely interrupted by another runner. When it is, maybe that's your cue to celebrate the collaborative aspect of running. Lord knows, there's enough folks out there who hate your stupid shorts, inane t-shirts, and unimpressive physique - even some other runners/joggers. Next time, maybe just run with the guy or gal and see if you can become friends and mutually helpful competitors.
XXX_NYC wrote:
Seeing he late said he was a sub-15 5K guy, I suggest he probably needed the motivation that day as the 6:30 pace he was doing seems way too slow/soft for someone this talented.
Uhh..what? Have you ever run sub 15? I'm guessing no. Cause I have, and never touched anything NEAR 6:30 except except for workouts. 6:30 doesn't that feel much different to a sub-15 guy than to a 17:xx guy, it's sub-5 pace that feels a lot different.