You are all some screwed up people.
You are all some screwed up people.
Thinker wrote:Imbecile
I am smart enough to know they dont mean dick. The world is full of guys who coulda done something but never did. No calculator changes that.
moron
you havent a f***ing clue
look at the mercier tables
look at daniels running formula
look how often they are quoted around here
if you think their calculators & their esteem around here show they "couda done something but never did" you are a complete idiot
Hold it. Let me see if I have this straight: You throw out crap about the track in Atlanta being "illegal" and then turn right around and refer to times from the 93 Chinese games? Seriously? Are you fucking deluded? Or you are the one person left on EARTH who thinks those times are legit?
moron
what were those performances in stuttgart where they crushed the world in 1500/3k/10k ?
a mirage ???
OK, lets set aside the obviousness of drug cheats in China in 93. For sake of your addled little brain, Ill pretend they actually are legit. Glad Im typing this because it would difficult to say with a straight face
only an idiot talks about drugs
regardless of whether they achieved those legit or not, it has no bearing on what wang was capable of for 5k, as she ran the 3 distances around it - 1500/3k/10k
I dont have to guess about Wangs 5k in 93. I KNOW. You know how? Because she actually ran her fastest ever 5k in 93. Thats right. It was the second half of her 10k world record. She did 14:26 or that 5k (I might be off by a second or two -- I didnt look it up). Thats 25 seconds faster than her fastest OPEN 5k under international drug testing (but again lets pretend its actually legit). So thats what she COULD have run.
MIGHT she have run faster had she run only a 5k? Possibly? But -- and this is key now so please dont miss the point: SHE DID NOT. Did you see that? I will repeat it for you: "She did not". She "only" ran that 14:26. So thats her best. And no internet calculator will ever change that, no matter how easy you think it looked
you are the dumbest f***ing moron to ever "grace" these boards !!!
by your reasoning for any athlete, their 5k ability can be gauged from what they ran the 2nd 5k of a 10k at the time !
kennster split 13:08 in 2nd 1/2 of his 26:17wr, so by your reasoning he was a 13:08 guy on that day !
you are a complete f***ing idiot !!!
Im fairly confident I have more years of watching elites than you have. I actually watched Quincy Watts race when the network broadcast the Olympics. I also watched 1984 and 1996. I got what coverage I could of 1980 as all of us outside the Iron Curtain did. I watched Lasse Fucking Viren in PERSON at Montreal in 76. He made it look easy too, just floating away from people. Thats what elites can do
no
that is small fry
ive watched since 1970 commonwealth games & neufville setting 400wr & stewart winning an epic over keino making him 3rd fastest guy all-time
& i went to 1992/2004 games & watched 1/2 of them from tickets available from touts - i will take your viren & throw in morceli/cacho/hicham/bernie/kennster/borza/kipketer
throw in having seen virtually every golden league meet on satellite since inception in 1990s on satellite & many elite premier meets also on satellite from late 1980s
You right I dont have a clue what "biomechanist" would possibly know about this. Does he also have some sort of materials science degree? Did he test the track? Is the sun baking it illegal? Should we have shaded it?
idiot
you clearly have not a clue
any serious fan who is interested in biomechanics/physics of the sport knows jesus dapena & his work
you clearly are some ignoramus
No... wait... skip all that. I dont want to confuse you so I will just ask you this: What EXACTLY was "illegal" about the track? Please tell us. Be specific now. What EXACTLY was it. Was it short? Was there some specific disallowed material? Because the entire rest of the track and field world seems to accept it and everything. But what do they know compared to you and dapena?
only a moron thinks instinctively of "short track" when illegality is mentioned
idiot
go look up the crux factor in tracks, which is iaaf dictat of 65% maximum energy return specs, which they have been embarassed about every since tokyo fiasco when they allowed wrs to be verified on an illegal track - lewis 9.86 & powell 8.95m
So did Johnson. Many golds actually. A lot more than Quincy Watts. And, more relevantly, WORLD RECORDS. You know. Those things that Watts "coulda" done but never did
moron
it does not detract from intrinsic value of watts 43.71, which imo is better than mj 43.18
You were there, were you? Monitoring his training? Please describe it to us. How do you know how intense it was. And clearly you must have monitored Johnsons training too and Butch Reynolds. Right?
Because if not, youd basically be talking out of your ass.
you are complete idiot with no analytical skills at all
watts went from barely inside 45 to 43.50 in 1y
the biggest leap to an elite level ever in a 1y span
therefore, logically, he musta put in probably more work/training in that 1y than any guy before or after
can you not do even the most basic thinking ???
ventolin^3 wrote:
watts went from barely inside 45 to 43.50 in 1y
the biggest leap to an elite level ever in a 1y span
Drugs work! They did the same for Steve Lewis and Kevin Young in that group of doped LA sprinters.
lewis was 19 when he ran 43.87
there has not been a drug born or any alive now, which even if given in toxic doses turns a raw kid relatively overnight into a 43.87 guy
he quite simply was the most magnificent physical specimen i have ever seen ( tv ) run on a track & he was 19 !
This thread is borderline lunacy, without question.
As for the original post, yes the Q-man was amazing in that one great season of his. I was in Zurich for his 43.50 and have never seen an "easier" really great 400 performance. Awesome.
eh ?
what "zurich" 43.50 ?!
ventolin^3 wrote:
lewis was 19 when he ran 43.87
there has not been a drug born or any alive now, which even if given in toxic doses turns a raw kid relatively overnight into a 43.87 guy
he quite simply was the most magnificent physical specimen i have ever seen ( tv ) run on a track & he was 19 !
Arnold, age 19:
http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/vince/images/young_arnold_schwarzenegger.jpgBTW, you truly are INCREDIBLY STUPID. Did Steve Lewis ever run faster than 43.87????
moron
did arnold ever run track ?
as for lewis, idiot, you have a clue that his was 3rd fastest run ever at the time & 0.01s behind evans altitude run ??
43.87 will almost certainly be quick enough for gold in london - 24y after lewis
old tymer wrote:
This thread is borderline lunacy, without question.
As for the original post, yes the Q-man was amazing in that one great season of his. I was in Zurich for his 43.50 and have never seen an "easier" really great 400 performance. Awesome.
My mistake--this race was 43.83.
ventolin^3 wrote:
moron
did arnold ever run track ?
as for lewis, idiot, you have a clue that his was 3rd fastest run ever at the time & 0.01s behind evans altitude run ??
43.87 will almost certainly be quick enough for gold in london - 24y after lewis
NO, LEWIS NEVER RAN FASTER THAN HE DID IN 88. BECAUSE HE STOPPED DOPING SHORTLY THEREAFTER, MORON.
you shoud hara-kiri with that drivel
( or as we shouda "assisted" you to do so in 45 )
moron
why the f*** woud a 19y ole supposedly doping by some morons here, stop doping if he still had a wr to chase ???
ventolin^3 wrote:it does not detract from intrinsic value of watts 43.71, which imo is better than mj 43.18
All your bs calculations can not come up with any common sense scenario in which Watts performance was better than Johnsons.
ventolin^3 wrote:
you shoud hara-kiri with that drivel
( or as we shouda "assisted" you to do so in 45 )
moron
why the f*** woud a 19y ole supposedly doping by some morons here, stop doping if he still had a wr to chase ???
Steve Lewis stopped using drugs because he accomplished his goal. YOU are not taking your psyche meds because without them you do not understand what almost everyone else here clearly understands: You are insane.
Steve Lewis: Smart
"ventolin^3": Bat-shit crazy, and terminally dense
it appears idiocy knows no bounds
which part of "he seemed to rocket the backstretch & maintain other parts" can your peabrain not comprehend ?
he was ~ 0.2s slower on rt than standard & he was only trying to qualify for the final, not set a wr
mj was only interested in wr that day as he had already got 4 previous globals
kid
you clearly have not watched enough elite races
ventolin^3 wrote:
you clearly have not watched enough elite races
So what you are saying is that DESPITE having watched zillions of elite races you are STILL an idiot who makes retarded statements with NO EVIDENCE to back them up?
Hirohito wrote:Steve Lewis stopped using drugs because he accomplished his goal
you are a f***ing idiot
you think his attitude after winning was :
"jeez, shucks, i am 19y & won gold
i will stop the method i have used to get to this goal as i have accomplished all that can be achieved in the 400m"
ventolin^3 wrote:
it appears idiocy knows no bounds
Well it appears our dear "physician" has finally diagnosed himself accurately. Now, make sure you procure that prescription darling...
I saw Steve Lewis win the Meet of Champions (the meet for northern California prior to hs states) in Berkeley at Edwards stadium in 1987 in 46.3. One of the all time great talents, no question. But who would have thought it possible to drop from 46.3 to 43.87 that quickly, in a year? We know that the group was doing steroids, so probably him too.
Hirohito wrote:So what you are saying is that DESPITE having watched zillions of elite races you are STILL an idiot who makes retarded statements with NO EVIDENCE to back them up?
no
moron
it means one is better judge of horseflesh than an imbecile who is so f***ing dumb that he thinks a 19y ole woud stop doping after winning a gold but still the proverbial mile from the wr
watched quincy. incredible first 200m, looked in the blurry video like he was running hard almost the whole way and then eased up the last second or so. is that worth more than half a second? I really doubt it. maybe 43.3 or 43.4. Had that been the final, could he have run 43.18? Maybe.
