Name HS runners who have gone sub9:00 3200m AND sub 1:50

I said "could have" meaning if they raced it more and even trained up very slightly. 1:49 is worth like 8:05 for 3k. 9:00 for 3200 is good range for a 1:49 guy, but nothing incredible.

This is the same argument that all our 46 flat guys should be running the 800m with slight tweaks in their training. It doesn\'t work that way.

chillll wrote:

I said \"could have\" meaning if they raced it more and even trained up very slightly. 1:49 is worth like 8:05 for 3k. 9:00 for 3200 is good range for a 1:49 guy, but nothing incredible.

Fast 800m runners blasting fast 3200m times is similar in concept to fast 100m runners blasting fast 400m times. It happens, but not often enough to be considered commonplace.

By fast I mean comparable performances. Not every runner can be Saïd Aouita.

Alan

George Webbs wrote:

No way in hell See would have broken 9:00 for 3200. Get some perspective. He rarely ever broke 16:00 for a 5k cross race, let alone 15:00.

You need some perspective. He was a 403 miler who was a regional footlooker XC champion. Not some XC chump like you're making him out to be. He didn't fare as well at nats, but anyone who makes nat in XC and has that type of mile speed, is a sub 9 threat.

He broke 16 as a freshman in XC at this state meet, and was state champion each of his last 2 years. He didn't have trouble breaking 16 on command.

I don't remmber what his pr was, but i do remember him running a low 9 at one point, although he didn't give it many attempts and def wasn't one of his main goals obviously.

Also pretty sure Ryan Deak met all the conditions except the 800.

chillll wrote:

I said "could have" meaning if they raced it more and even trained up very slightly. 1:49 is worth like 8:05 for 3k. 9:00 for 3200 is good range for a 1:49 guy, but nothing incredible.

Alright, let's start looking at a lot of those guys.

I say guys like Mark Sylvester, Johnathon Johnson, Michael Granville, Jason Von Swol...no way do they go sub 9.

I'd be surprised if more than about 50-60% of guys who run sub 1:50 could have done that. That's technically a majority, yes, but I have a feeling you meant more than that.

giffypop17 wrote:

Alright, let's start looking at a lot of those guys.

I say guys like Mark Sylvester, Johnathon Johnson, Michael Granville, Jason Von Swol...no way do they go sub 9.

I agree...think JJ only did like 15 miles per week. He was def more of a 400/800 guy. Sub 9? Doubt even sub 10.

trialswatcher wrote:

From scratch, only two guys have done it that I know of, I cannot believe there are over 20 posts talking about guys that did not do it, or folks trying to use relay splits.

Webb and Brannen are the only guys.

Brannen went 8:59 or 50's high in Webb's 8:45 race on flat Md. Indoor track.

Liquori ran 1:49.x split at Penn and only ran 1-2 serious two miles and ran 9:04 for full two miles.

Rich Kimball probably could have done it as well, if we are going to the woulda coulda list.

Spivey did also since the criteria was 800/3200

Some of Brannen's results from his senior year of high school (2001).

2001 Results - NikeIndoorNationals.com 2 Mile

PLACE ATHLETE NAME YR HOMETOWN TIME HT ========================= =========================

1 Webb, Alan B 01 Reston, VA 8:45.19 # 3

2 Brannen, Nathan V 01 Cambridge, ON 8:57.28 !

Gill International Track Classic, Montreal, QC - Canada (1500m) 2nd 3:41.80

Aileen Meagher Track Classic, Halifax, ON - Canada (Mile) 1st 3:59.85

Canadian Track and Field Championships, Edmonton, AB - Canada (800m) 2nd 1:46.60

Francophone Games Final, Ottawa, ON - Canada (800m) 5th 1:47.25

Francophone Games Semi-final, Ottawa, ON - Canada (800m) 2nd 1:46.90

IAAF World Championships, Edmonton, AB - Canada (800m) 26th 1:48.60

OFSAA West Regional, Sarnia, ON - Canada (800m) 1st 1:48.69

London Indoor Twilight Meet, London, ON- Canada (3000m) 1st 8:15.50

Name 10 runners who have actually made the most impact on the world - none of them are required to have run sub-9 or sub 1:50 in HS. I think Jim Ryun would be the first to come to my mind in 5 decades. Frank, Steve, Marty, Allen, and Ryan have made some contribution. What say you?

DaveW wrote:

Name 10 runners who have actually made the most impact on the world - none of them are required to have run sub-9 or sub 1:50 in HS. I think Jim Ryun would be the first to come to my mind in 5 decades. Frank, Steve, Marty, Allen, and Ryan have made some contribution. What say you?

I say you're an f'tard.

Add Gerry Lindgren to that list. One of the early but more subtle inspirations for the 70's running revolution (and ran 8:40 2mile in high school for what that's worth too).His US vs. USSR meet was out of this world!

DaveW wrote:

Name 10 runners who have actually made the most impact on the world - none of them are required to have run sub-9 or sub 1:50 in HS. I think Jim Ryun would be the first to come to my mind in 5 decades. Frank, Steve, Marty, Allen, and Ryan have made some contribution. What say you?

Wasn't Brannen in Grade 13 when he did that? A year older?

North of the boarder wrote:

Some of Brannen's results from his senior year of high school (2001).

2001 Results - NikeIndoorNationals.com 2 Mile

PLACE ATHLETE NAME YR HOMETOWN TIME HT ========================= =========================

1 Webb, Alan B 01 Reston, VA 8:45.19 # 3

2 Brannen, Nathan V 01 Cambridge, ON 8:57.28 !

Gill International Track Classic, Montreal, QC - Canada (1500m) 2nd 3:41.80

Aileen Meagher Track Classic, Halifax, ON - Canada (Mile) 1st 3:59.85

Canadian Track and Field Championships, Edmonton, AB - Canada (800m) 2nd 1:46.60

Francophone Games Final, Ottawa, ON - Canada (800m) 5th 1:47.25

Francophone Games Semi-final, Ottawa, ON - Canada (800m) 2nd 1:46.90

IAAF World Championships, Edmonton, AB - Canada (800m) 26th 1:48.60

OFSAA West Regional, Sarnia, ON - Canada (800m) 1st 1:48.69

London Indoor Twilight Meet, London, ON- Canada (3000m) 1st 8:15.50

chillll wrote:

I said "could have" meaning if they raced it more and even trained up very slightly. 1:49 is worth like 8:05 for 3k. 9:00 for 3200 is good range for a 1:49 guy, but nothing incredible.

I never saw this thread last fall, but it is really amazing that someone posting on a running message board could be so clueless about running. Do you really not understand why very few 1:49 guys in high school could not have broken 9 in the 3200, no matter what their training? Really? Do you understand why Carl Lewis never broke the 800 meter world record, or even the 400 record, even if he would have trained for it. Do you understand why Michael Johnson never ran a fast mile? I just have a hard time understanding that you don't get it.

Jake Hurysz went 14:46, 4:06, and 8:49, but only 1:52 in the 800.

why would brannen count? he's canadian. if you count brannen, then count the kenyans, etc.

Victor Gras: 8:52.05 2mile, 4:5.14 mile, 3:45.19 1500m, 1:50.78 800m.

Recap of some of the stats I posted on this thread last year:

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The very short list of US high schoolers who were sub 9:00 for 3200m and 1:50 for 800m (including converted yards):

Jim Spivey

1:49.64c (1:50.28y)

8:57.17c (9:00.3y)

Alan Webb

1:47.74

8:42.15c (8:45.19yi)

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The only US high schools with sub 1:50m, 4:10m & 9:00m in their history (including converted yards):

-3 or more different boys:

Jesuit HS, Carmichael, CA

El Modena HS, Orange, CA

Burbank HS, Burbank, CA

Atlantic HS, Delray Beach, FL

Thornridge HS, Dolton, IL

Lincoln-Way HS, New Lenox, IL

Wichita East HS, Wichita, KS

-Only 2 boys:

Cabrillo HS, Lompoc, CA

Mission San Jose HS, Fremont, CA

Merced HS, Merced, CA

Suffern HS, Suffern, NY

South Lakes HS, Reston, VA

-Only 1 boy:

Fenton HS, Bensenville, IL

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The Foot Locker/Kinney XC finalists who also broke 1:50 for 800m i nhigh school:

1:46.58 George Kersh

1:47.74 Alan Webb

1:48.8 Paul Vandegrift

1:49.61 Sharif Karie

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Poster "George Webbs" hunch:

1:50 is probably equivalent to 4:06 for 1600 and 8:48 for 3200. I'm sure over 100 kids have gone sub 4:10 and 9:00. I would bet not much more than 50 have broke 1:50 in high school. Probably more like 35.

Answers:

134 US boys have broken 1:50 in the 800.

#134 on the 1600 list is 4:06.17 (including converted Miles).

#134 on the 3200 list is 8:52.75 (including 2-Miles)

627 have broken 4:10m and 452 have broken 9:00m.

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US girls that have gone sub 2:10m and 10:30m. Times are listed for the some of the fastest combos:

Alejandra Barrientos

Ari Lambie

Brianna Felnagle

Chelsey Sveinsson (2:08.46, 10:04.85y)

Cheri Williams

Cory Schubert

Emily Infeld

Emily Lipari

Erin Donohue

Jodie Bilotta

Jordan Hasay (2:09.64, 9:52.13)

Katelyn Kaltenbach

Kim Gallagher (2:00.07, 10:27.5y)

Maddie Meyers

Sarah Bowman (2:04.94, 10:16.03)

Suzy Favor

This thread went on way too long because the OP didn't just stick with his thread title criteria; he added different easier criteria in his original post. The title of the thread said sub 9 and sub 1:50 and only two people in the history of U.S. high school running have done so. Props to Spivey and Webb. Incredible range. As jsully noted, there are well over a 100 kids that have broken 1:50, but only two also broke nine. A few more probably could have done it had they raced it, but most of the sub 1:50 guys could never have done it in high school.