Czech guy wrote:
There were apparently two EPO-eras: The first one between 1995-98 and the second one in 2004-2005. Since 2005 the times have been dropping dramatically in all distances and returned on the level of 1995.
Just so I know I'm not misunderstanding you, you're claims are without basis in fact or evidence, right?
How about another event: MEN'S SHOT PUT TOP 10 LIST:
Top clean athletes (my guess):
5. 22.75 Werner Günthör SUI Bern 1988-08-23
8. 22.54 Christian Cantwell USA Gresham 2004-06-05
9. 22.52 John Brenner USA Walnut 1987-04-26
10. 22.51 Adam Nelson USA Gresham 2002-05-18
11. 22.43 Reese Hoffa USA London 2007-08-03
13. 22.20 John Godina USA Carson 2005-05-22
14 22.10 Cory Martin USA Tucson 2010-05-22
17. 22.00 Andrey Mikhnevich BLR Stayki 2008-07-27
20. 21.97 Ryan Whiting USA Eugene 2010-06-12
20. 21.97 Janus Robberts RSA Eugene 2001-06-02
Athletes removed:
1. 23.12 Randy Barnes USA Westwood 1990-05-20
2. 23.06 Ulf Timmermann GER Haniá 1988-05-22
3. 22.91 Alessandro Andrei ITA Viareggio 1987-08-12
4. 22.86 Brian Oldfield USA El Paso 1975-05-10
6. 22.67 Kevin Toth USA Lawrence 2003-04-19
7. 22.64 Udo Beyer GER Berlin 1986-08-20
12. 22.24 Sergey Smirnov RUS Tallinn 1986-06-21
14. 22.10 Sergey Gavryushin RUS Tbilisi 1986-08-31
16. 22.02 Dave Laut USA Koblenz 1982-08-25
17. 22.00 Aleks Baryshnikov RUS Colombes 1976-07-10
19. 21.98 Gregg Tafralis USA Los Gatos 1992-06-13
"I recommend you read up on the history of Africa. This is what you're saying: "don't give me reasonable explanations -- I've already made up my mind." You discount the fact that shoe contracts in significant amounts weren't widely available to Africans until the 1990s. Nike wasn't offering Peter Rono a $300,000 contract in 1988. Brother O'Connell started coaching in Kenya at the end of the 1970s and it was at the 1988 Olympics where Kenyan men started to assert dominance, winning the 800m, 1500m, steeplechase and 5000m."
The funny thing is that they didn't start to dominate; they were simply left on track alone, after white guys stopped competing on a mass scale in mid 80's.
Czech guy wrote:
"I recommend you read up on the history of Africa. This is what you're saying: "don't give me reasonable explanations -- I've already made up my mind." You discount the fact that shoe contracts in significant amounts weren't widely available to Africans until the 1990s. Nike wasn't offering Peter Rono a $300,000 contract in 1988. Brother O'Connell started coaching in Kenya at the end of the 1970s and it was at the 1988 Olympics where Kenyan men started to assert dominance, winning the 800m, 1500m, steeplechase and 5000m."
The funny thing is that they didn't start to dominate; they were simply left on track alone, after white guys stopped competing on a mass scale in mid 80's.
re: "they were simply left on track alone, after white guys stopped competing on a mass scale in mid 80's."
Excellent quote!
Very very true