If he hasn't race sprint times how do you know he is faster?
Why do you assume he isn’t? Because he’s American? Because as a 17 year old American he’s over two seconds faster than Peter Snell was at 800m? Faster than Coe at 400m? And Cooper ran that 400m after a brisk 1:47 800.
I haven't assumed he isn't faster. I have simply observed there's no evidence yet for it, which would be faster sprint times.
He hasn’t improved his sprint times since last year, because he hasn’t run raced sprints since last year. Your surmising your conclusion from such a weak absence of evidence argument is mysteriously and uncharacteristically illogical of you. Say a person is born in France and learns French and then moves to America at ten years old and learns English, and doesn’t speak French again because he has no need to. Do you conclude from that the person is incapable of improving his French simply because he isn’t currently speaking it? You seem to have an extreme predilection for empiricism, while at the same time neglecting choices, opportunities, and improvement that isn’t immediately verifiable by your own unrealistically strict standards of evidence.
If he hasn't raced sprint times how do you know he is faster?
If he hasn't raced a longer race, how do you know he is stronger?
There is zero evidence he is stronger.
In all your threads, you say, if improves his 400m by 1.5s, then it is a linear mapping to a 3s improvement in the 800m.
Given that we have no evidence of him being stronger or faster, but we do know the 800m is much faster, the discussion is about attribution.
Most rationale people say some of that 800m likely came from speed improvements, and you are saying you know for a fact that his sprints have improved marginally.
It's silly posturing when you have no more information than we do. And in most cases, less information given you didn't even know he hadn't raced a 400m since.
Why do you assume he isn’t? Because he’s American? Because as a 17 year old American he’s over two seconds faster than Peter Snell was at 800m? Faster than Coe at 400m? And Cooper ran that 400m after a brisk 1:47 800.
I haven't assumed he isn't faster. I have simply observed there's no evidence yet for it, which would be faster sprint times.
Yea you have states he isn’t faster. You’ve said he were faster he would have run faster times - at diatances he hasn’t competes at in one and two years. Liar.
Cooper’s coach is doing a great job inkeeping the overall mileage on the low side. This gives Cooper a lot of room to grow in different directions as needed while things progress. This has to be off-putting to some of his competitors. It sure is to some people who claim to be fans of the sport.
Cooper’s coach is doing a great job inkeeping the overall mileage on the low side. This gives Cooper a lot of room to grow in different directions as needed while things progress. This has to be off-putting to some of his competitors. It sure is to some people who claim to be fans of the sport.
in what way have you observed his training to be "off-putting" to the fans? or even the competitors for that matter?
If CL runs a 400 and runs right at 45 flat or a hair under, he’ll just say there’s no way we could’ve seen this coming and accuse CL of doping and then start comparisons to Geordie Beamish, followed by some platitude about Trump.
CL is light years ahead of where he was last indoor season. However, we should all rein in our expectations. The improvements from here will be incremental. But, the American record is there for the taking.
Last year he improved from 47.6 to 46.3 in official 400m times, meaning he got faster. He also improved his mile PR last year, meaning he also got better endurance. Both these PRs were back in mid season when he was running 1:46. Since then he has run 1:42, meaning he had to have gotten faster in either sprints or endurance or the most likely option, both.
You saying he can improve his 800m time without having improved his sprint speed is a true statement, however you were insisting that you knew for a fact he didn't improve his sprint speed by a significant amount, which you simply cannot know, as he hasn't ran a sprint race or endurance race since he was in 1:46 shape. Seems like your finally admitting that you're just guessing that all he did was improve his endurance, rather than having anything to back that opinion up.
So I'll ask again, since what you said contained false information. How do you know it was just his endurance that improved but not both his endurance and his speed?
I'm not guessing. He hasn't improved his sprint times since last year - the only proof of that would have been times that show that. There are none. He has improved his 800 time since which I said - but you didn't understand - would have required improved endurance but not necessarily speed. I am not saying he can't be faster but it isn't a necessary condition of a faster 800 that he must have improved his sprint speed.
But for all of you who insist he must be faster and will run faster sprint times you have nothing to go on. His prs remain the same. If he is faster we are yet to see it.
So you're twisting your argument into saying that rather than him not getting faster physically, he hasn't improved his sprint times, which is technically true, but also doesn't mean anything because he hasn't ran any sprint races since last year.
Cooper’s coach is doing a great job inkeeping the overall mileage on the low side. This gives Cooper a lot of room to grow in different directions as needed while things progress. This has to be off-putting to some of his competitors. It sure is to some people who claim to be fans of the sport.
in what way have you observed his training to be "off-putting" to the fans? or even the competitors for that matter?
Dude, work on your reading comprehension. It’s the (very) low mileage as he said. It freaks some people out. Most of them expect at least 50 or 60 per week as the absolute minimum. And he said people who “claim” to be fans. But you didn’t get the drift. Work on it!
If he hasn't raced sprint times how do you know he is faster?
If he hasn't raced a longer race, how do you know he is stronger?
There is zero evidence he is stronger.
In all your threads, you say, if improves his 400m by 1.5s, then it is a linear mapping to a 3s improvement in the 800m.
Given that we have no evidence of him being stronger or faster, but we do know the 800m is much faster, the discussion is about attribution.
Most rationale people say some of that 800m likely came from speed improvements, and you are saying you know for a fact that his sprints have improved marginally.
It's silly posturing when you have no more information than we do. And in most cases, less information given you didn't even know he hadn't raced a 400m since.
To improve several seconds over his specialty, a middle distance, requires increased strength and endurance. It doesn't require increased sprint speed as it isn't a sprint event.
To run 46x over the 400 shows he has enough speed to run 1:42x as those who ran in that region in the past - and even faster - were no quicker over the 400. So his 800 improvement is not evidence that he has increased his top end speed.
I haven't assumed he isn't faster. I have simply observed there's no evidence yet for it, which would be faster sprint times.
Yea you have states he isn’t faster. You’ve said he were faster he would have run faster times - at diatances he hasn’t competes at in one and two years. Liar.
There isn't anything that shows he is faster over shorter distances. That he hasn't run sprint events for some time - except for his flying 200 in training - doesn't make a case that he has increased his speed. Nor does his 800 improvement. The only thing that will is if he runs faster sprint times. They are yet to be demonstrated.
If CL runs a 400 and runs right at 45 flat or a hair under, he’ll just say there’s no way we could’ve seen this coming and accuse CL of doping and then start comparisons to Geordie Beamish, followed by some platitude about Trump.
CL is light years ahead of where he was last indoor season. However, we should all rein in our expectations. The improvements from here will be incremental. But, the American record is there for the taking.
If he runs sub-45 I would simply say I misjudged his sprint ability. The rest is all your fiction.