This kid has so much upside, it's almost unfathomable.
800 WR on watch next ~2 years.
You would think so, but if I have learned anything as a runner and fan for over twenty five years; things can go south very quickly. It could be that if he goes for a higher volume and eventually intensity approach he may stagnate, regress, or get injured. Marco Arop went all in for training about a year ago and was certain he was in WR shape and it didn’t happen. You learn two things over the years from this sport: 1) Youth and potential are not what they cracked up to be. 2) Predictions are futile. There is this certain aspect that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, which his coach who appears to have a great deal of common sense seems to understand. He without question is physically mature beyond his age, so we need to keep that in mind and accept that he may not have as much room for improvement as many believe.
This kid has so much upside, it's almost unfathomable.
800 WR on watch next ~2 years.
You would think so, but if I have learned anything as a runner and fan for over twenty five years; things can go south very quickly. It could be that if he goes for a higher volume and eventually intensity approach he may stagnate, regress, or get injured. Marco Arop went all in for training about a year ago and was certain he was in WR shape and it didn’t happen. You learn two things over the years from this sport: 1) Youth and potential are not what they cracked up to be. 2) Predictions are futile. There is this certain aspect that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, which his coach who appears to have a great deal of common sense seems to understand. He without question is physically mature beyond his age, so we need to keep that in mind and accept that he may not have as much room for improvement as many believe.
Good post. Yes, the correct answer should be keep doing what he’s doing.
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
No, it actually means he ran a 49 FAT, you need to consider his massive running start and add reaction time. This actually proves that he's actually regressing from where he was at when he was 14 years running 48.7. It's clear he already reached the peak of his career and started his rapid decline based on this workout.
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
WORLD CHAMPION is all that needs to be said. Not even Sebastian Coe was a World Champ.
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
You and Ungus carrying the torch for Armstronglivs. He stayed up very late to try and argue with everyone yesterday so he apparently needed a breather lol.
On a serious note, hopefully Cooper’s coach stays the course and doesn’t try to overdo things. The kid has a legit shot at the WR if things keep rolling as they have been. The kid should be one of the X-Men.
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
You and Ungus carrying the torch for Armstronglivs. He stayed up very late to try and argue with everyone yesterday so he apparently needed a breather lol.
On a serious note, hopefully Cooper’s coach stays the course and doesn’t try to overdo things. The kid has a legit shot at the WR if things keep rolling as they have been. The kid should be one of the X-Men.
As long as you truly know that we were being sarcastic…
I agree with everything else you said. Don’t fix what ain’t broken. Stay the course.
Oh, and as other posters have pointed out, his 46.3 last year was well before he dropped his 800 PR, so he was probably closer to that 45.3 relay split even last August. That he might be capable of dipping under 45 should shock absolutely no one.
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
WORLD CHAMPION is all that needs to be said. Not even Sebastian Coe was a World Champ.
Coe did win two Olympic Gold Medals in the 1500m and two Silvers in the 800m. Outdoors is what counts and Lutkenhaus has a ways to go before he be compared to Coe. If the seven guys with faster times last year had shown up at World Indoors, do you think he still would have won?
This kid has so much upside, it's almost unfathomable.
800 WR on watch next ~2 years.
You would think so, but if I have learned anything as a runner and fan for over twenty five years; things can go south very quickly. It could be that if he goes for a higher volume and eventually intensity approach he may stagnate, regress, or get injured. Marco Arop went all in for training about a year ago and was certain he was in WR shape and it didn’t happen. You learn two things over the years from this sport: 1) Youth and potential are not what they cracked up to be. 2) Predictions are futile. There is this certain aspect that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, which his coach who appears to have a great deal of common sense seems to understand. He without question is physically mature beyond his age, so we need to keep that in mind and accept that he may not have as much room for improvement as many believe.
Lutkenhaus says his workouts are easy to moderate. When did he; or Capeau, say they plan to increase intensity? Maybe the increase in mileage is just in the form of just jogging more miles. How can you, as a jogger and fan, no more about how to train Lutkenhaus than the coach that sees him everyday?
This kid has so much upside, it's almost unfathomable.
800 WR on watch next ~2 years.
You would think so, but if I have learned anything as a runner and fan for over twenty five years; things can go south very quickly. It could be that if he goes for a higher volume and eventually intensity approach he may stagnate, regress, or get injured. Marco Arop went all in for training about a year ago and was certain he was in WR shape and it didn’t happen. You learn two things over the years from this sport: 1) Youth and potential are not what they cracked up to be. 2) Predictions are futile. There is this certain aspect that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, which his coach who appears to have a great deal of common sense seems to understand. He without question is physically mature beyond his age, so we need to keep that in mind and accept that he may not have as much room for improvement as many believe.
That's my take. He's certainly on a trajectory to be one of the all-time greats but we need to pump the brakes on the "a guy who runs 1:42 at 16 will obviously be running 1:39 [lol] by 20" rhetoric. He's very physically mature already, and his ceiling could end up very close to his current PR. He's a smart racer and certainly not overtrained so we could see like ten consecutive 1:41/1:42 seasons, which would be incredible.
You would think so, but if I have learned anything as a runner and fan for over twenty five years; things can go south very quickly. It could be that if he goes for a higher volume and eventually intensity approach he may stagnate, regress, or get injured. Marco Arop went all in for training about a year ago and was certain he was in WR shape and it didn’t happen. You learn two things over the years from this sport: 1) Youth and potential are not what they cracked up to be. 2) Predictions are futile. There is this certain aspect that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, which his coach who appears to have a great deal of common sense seems to understand. He without question is physically mature beyond his age, so we need to keep that in mind and accept that he may not have as much room for improvement as many believe.
Lutkenhaus says his workouts are easy to moderate. When did he; or Capeau, say they plan to increase intensity? Maybe the increase in mileage is just in the form of just jogging more miles. How can you, as a jogger and fan, no more about how to train Lutkenhaus than the coach that sees him everyday?
I didn’t type that I know more than his coach, but I clearly know more than you. You type some of the dumbest posts I have seen on here. You don’t know anything about training.
WORLD CHAMPION is all that needs to be said. Not even Sebastian Coe was a World Champ.
Coe did win two Olympic Gold Medals in the 1500m and two Silvers in the 800m. Outdoors is what counts and Lutkenhaus has a ways to go before he be compared to Coe. If the seven guys with faster times last year had shown up at World Indoors, do you think he still would have won?
Lutkenhaus says his workouts are easy to moderate. When did he; or Capeau, say they plan to increase intensity? Maybe the increase in mileage is just in the form of just jogging more miles. How can you, as a jogger and fan, no more about how to train Lutkenhaus than the coach that sees him everyday?
I didn’t type that I know more than his coach, but I clearly know more than you. You type some of the dumbest posts I have seen on here. You don’t know anything about training.
Why is it dumb to think Lutkenhaus’ coach knows what he’s doing? He’s undoubtedly called several elite 800m coaches to pick their brains about training.You pointing out that overtraining is a bad thing is not something coaches aren’t aware of. What insights about 800m training in can you provide in addition to that? I know that certain types of 800m might train less than 20 mpw and others will run 50mpw or more. If Cooper’s over distance is mostly jogging , is he really increasing his chance of being injured?
Can you provide some detail as to how to Arop was mistrained last year?
You would think so, but if I have learned anything as a runner and fan for over twenty five years; things can go south very quickly. It could be that if he goes for a higher volume and eventually intensity approach he may stagnate, regress, or get injured. Marco Arop went all in for training about a year ago and was certain he was in WR shape and it didn’t happen. You learn two things over the years from this sport: 1) Youth and potential are not what they cracked up to be. 2) Predictions are futile. There is this certain aspect that if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, which his coach who appears to have a great deal of common sense seems to understand. He without question is physically mature beyond his age, so we need to keep that in mind and accept that he may not have as much room for improvement as many believe.
That's my take. He's certainly on a trajectory to be one of the all-time greats but we need to pump the brakes on the "a guy who runs 1:42 at 16 will obviously be running 1:39 [lol] by 20" rhetoric. He's very physically mature already, and his ceiling could end up very close to his current PR. He's a smart racer and certainly not overtrained so we could see like ten consecutive 1:41/1:42 seasons, which would be incredible.
Can’t we have just one 1:40 season? It’s so little to ask.
that 36 mi week is surely an outlier…. .everything he does appears to be relaxed..I timed one of his workouts a few weeks before the US trials and was amazed how easy and relaxed he runs…..if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
You and Ungus carrying the torch for Armstronglivs. He stayed up very late to try and argue with everyone yesterday so he apparently needed a breather lol.
On a serious note, hopefully Cooper’s coach stays the course and doesn’t try to overdo things. The kid has a legit shot at the WR if things keep rolling as they have been. The kid should be one of the X-Men.
As long as you truly know that we were being sarcastic…
I agree with everything else you said. Don’t fix what ain’t broken. Stay the course.
Oh, and as other posters have pointed out, his 46.3 last year was well before he dropped his 800 PR, so he was probably closer to that 45.3 relay split even last August. That he might be capable of dipping under 45 should shock absolutely no one.
So what you're saying is that in the 46.3 race, if he did it like a workout, with a running start and hand timed it could have actually been a 44?
That's my take. He's certainly on a trajectory to be one of the all-time greats but we need to pump the brakes on the "a guy who runs 1:42 at 16 will obviously be running 1:39 [lol] by 20" rhetoric. He's very physically mature already, and his ceiling could end up very close to his current PR. He's a smart racer and certainly not overtrained so we could see like ten consecutive 1:41/1:42 seasons, which would be incredible.
Unlike Nijel Amos or Phanuel, he was actually 16 when he ran his insane time (I know Koech was allegedly 18, but still).
A teenager benefits from a power to weight ratio they'll likely never improve on, has enormous powers of regeneration, and can shift between type I and II muscle fibres at the drop of a hat. It's why some teenage phenoms never improve. My advice: enjoy everything that you're doing now; you may already be brushing your head on your genetic ceiling.