Almost looked like Langon was having words (seemed friendly) with Wolfe as they handed off to the anchors. Probably both saying MY guy is gonna take it--fun clash in bad conditions.
What rule? Should the Penn coach be prohibited from being on the infield if his kid is on the team?
Except the Dad shouldn’t be the first to see his daughter after the race. That’s inappropriate. He’s not her coach
Not to mention the absurd number of advantages this kid already has. On NIL deal, brand new shoes/clothes whenever she wants, dad is an Olympian/top global coach, altitude training, top HS program, top national coaches. It’s not a level playing field, so it is nice to see some new faces without so many advantages. Nothing wrong with thag
Except the Dad shouldn’t be the first to see his daughter after the race. That’s inappropriate. He’s not her coach
Not to mention the absurd number of advantages this kid already has. On NIL deal, brand new shoes/clothes whenever she wants, dad is an Olympian/top global coach, altitude training, top HS program, top national coaches. It’s not a level playing field, so it is nice to see some new faces without so many advantages. Nothing wrong with thag
All hype. Show me the money. I root for Jane, Elizabeth, Blair, Zariel etc. runners who don’t have the big names thanks to Dad. And the fact that her NIL is with On is beyond obvious and full of nepotism. Let’s see how it goes in the future. Committed to a college two years before even graduating. Hope this isn’t another Mary Cain burn out story.
Almost looked like Langon was having words (seemed friendly) with Wolfe as they handed off to the anchors. Probably both saying MY guy is gonna take it--fun clash in bad conditions.
Looks not great in retrospect. If Langon went through the line he might’ve had another second or two on Washington I think. Unclear if that would’ve made a difference but Murphy ended up leading anyhow. Both he and Strand were going to be full of run after 1300 meters at 4:10+ pace but maybe a slightly larger gap takes a fraction out of Green. As it stood he probably dropped a 31 to reattach instead of a 28-9 maybe. I get the 1600 leg is no fun to lead but if you’re going to have your guy lead anyway…more space is better.
Got to watch in-person, and the rain was light, not like the men just after, which was a near downpour. PVD used a brilliant strategy of running Lockhart and May second and third, while everyone else saved their best for last. PVD was so far ahead at the anchor that it was completely out of the question they would be caught, but Foster ran a very strong anchor for WA. O'Sullivan tried to do too much on WA's 3rd leg and faded really bad, otherwise they ran well. (O'Sullivan did much better in the 4x8)
Almost looked like Langon was having words (seemed friendly) with Wolfe as they handed off to the anchors. Probably both saying MY guy is gonna take it--fun clash in bad conditions.
Yes, I too was watching that. it seemed odd and one sided, with only Langdon talking and looking at Wolfe. Plus the entire time he was coming off the last curve, he kept looking back, don't see that too much from these guys.
Got to watch in-person, and the rain was light, not like the men just after, which was a near downpour. PVD used a brilliant strategy of running Lockhart and May second and third, while everyone else saved their best for last. PVD was so far ahead at the anchor that it was completely out of the question they would be caught, but Foster ran a very strong anchor for WA. O'Sullivan tried to do too much on WA's 3rd leg and faded really bad, otherwise they ran well. (O'Sullivan did much better in the 4x8)
I don't see those splits - I think Providence was 4:15+ on leadoff and around 4:16 on 2nd leg. Agree May was 4:12. I saw Flockhart was running 68.5-69 second laps which would be 4:18. But Maatoug and O'Sullivan seemed to be around 4:21 each so the lead opened up wide. Foerster was about 4:13 I think. So WA was way off their best times of this year.
I understand how it was potentially over for Teffra.
Martin split 3:48.12 and 350.09 in DMR's indoors. Had he split 3:52.15 today, they would have won. Was not remotely over for him.
Murphy's converted mile PR (from his 3:33.0) is 3:50.04. A 3:52.34 would have won it for them. Definetely a stretch, but potentially could have been manageable. The 4 and the 8 really killed them.
False. Totally false.
If Martin had split 3:52.15, Green would have just run faster and beaten him. Same thing with Murphy.
If there was an NFL type draft for milers, Green is going 1-1 on my board. Have you forgot he won the NCAA outdoor 1500 title two years ago? I don't think Martin has the wheels / change of gear of the best pure milers.
PS. I know there is no way to proe this I made this post without knowing the results of the 4 x 1500.
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added in the PS after i learned about the 4 x mile results which proved my point.
rain and wind is heavier now, impacting some of the racing. lots of surges, but yale goes into the second exchange just ahead of villanova and unc, yale split 4:04. unc surges to front right after exchange.
Whats the status with attendance tight now. Are people leaving. How full are the stands
Ran in masters races on Thursday (with great weather in the 80s) but little attendance. Stayed for Friday (again great weather in 80s, but little attendance. Bullis's Quincy Wilson almost brought them back in a 4x4 final, with an incredible 43.99 anchor to finish 2nd. On Saturday the weather turned cooler and wetter, Washington weather apparently, as the UW and others jogged through a pedestrian 4xmile for three and three quarter legs in a downpour before UW's Green unleashed an unbeatable 200m kick. Even on Saturday, attendance was disappointing. It's a great meet that is no longer on network TV, which is another indicator that T&F viewing is in the toilet. Hundreds of high school relay teams seemed to enjoy it, however.
Got to watch in-person, and the rain was light, not like the men just after, which was a near downpour. PVD used a brilliant strategy of running Lockhart and May second and third, while everyone else saved their best for last. PVD was so far ahead at the anchor that it was completely out of the question they would be caught, but Foster ran a very strong anchor for WA. O'Sullivan tried to do too much on WA's 3rd leg and faded really bad, otherwise they ran well. (O'Sullivan did much better in the 4x8)
I'm not surprised O'Sullivan tried to do too much. Washington overrated its chances in that race. I mentioned early in the thread that Maatoug is considerably better indoors than outdoors, and with her on second leg it would mean O'Sullivan and Foerster would be forced to rally.
But I doubt O'Sullivan expected to be that far back when she got the baton. Consequently her tactics suffered.
Maatoug was slightly better indoors this season at Washington than she was a Duke. But her cross country at Washington was markedly worse and so far outdoors has been worse. I think her strength will always be indoors. I follow Dutch athletics closely and that's not particularly unusual among their track and field athletes. I could rattle off one example after another. Heck Bol gets overhyped toward opportunity against Sydney largely because of how terrific she is indoors.
This is on the results site. Not even close, as for one things the stated Providence splits add up to 16:53. And Millard was anchor - May ran third leg.
"Penn State was the leader coming into the first exchange, running a 4:14 split with a 5 meter lead over Washington and Providence. After the baton exchange, Providence rushed to the lead and built a 20 meter lead by the end of the first lap. Providence never looked back for the rest of the race, as the Friar athletes ran splits of 4:13, 4:12, and 4:14 to widen their lead to over 100 meters by the time Kimberley May broke the finishing line tape in 16:59. The battle for second place was between Georgetown, Washington, and Penn State. Going into the final leg, it looked like Washington was dropped as Georgetown and Penn State surged ahead. Washington regained ground though, catching and passing Georgetown and Penn State with 2 laps to go. By the bell lap, Washington had built a 20 meter cushion ahead of Georgetown and Penn State to secure second place (Providence was already 100 meters ahead of the rest of the field by the bell). Georgetown held off Penn State in the final stretch to finish third."
Nova has had a long time philosophy on relays, if not a 10-15M lead or more, don't even hand off in the lead, to break the wind etc..It looked to me like he had more run in him, he might be the best guy 15-5K or close right now.
I used to think Green was the top college miler given his kick, but after Indoors and then watching Teffra out kick Erickson in the 4x800 it’s a toss up between them.
Perhaps focusing on training ahead of later meets. But I am wondering about the status of Hannah Gapes. Hartman, Bush, Napolean all seem fine, and Putman was fine recently at Duke.