I don’t understand the perpetual condemnation and criticism. First of all, Grant has run 12:46 and 26:33. Secondly, he’s a double Olympic bronze medalist, and he *almost* won silver in both events. So very close to the best runner in the world on the day. Thirdly, these new shoes allow for faster repetitions and faster recovery. I know that’s not a popular opinion on the boards, but it’s the truth. So the reps are just going to be faster. Lastly, Grant’s form looks fine. Is it the purest, cleanest form I’ve ever seen? No, he’s a bit too upright, but he’s pretty relaxed the entire time, not squeezing his shoulders in, not flailing. It didn’t really look like he was pressing until the end of that last 1600.
I think the your optical nerves are not focusing light at the back of your retina as good as mine. We can’t both be right and I’m agreeing with others on this board that fisher’s form is quickly unbecoming of an almost silver level medallist just as Nuguse is the same nearly beating Josh Kerr.
Pretty form, which signifies biomechanically abstract metadata spatially and temporally, ie, the golden ratio of 1.6091……is par for the course for a top 3 level contender in the world. Only human eyes entrained daily to the movements of runner will be able to develop that flair for seeing what’s ordinary and extraordinary biomechanical form. I give an analogy. How does a man get first attracted to a girl and starts liking her. Well men’s eyes can decode the physical golden ratio of 1.609 in a woman’s physique like her chest to hip to waist ratio without explicitly taking measurements using an instrument. The more varied women’s physique data sets men’s eyes look at, the more he can sequester the set of women’s physique that is most attractive from the group and that will always be automatically equivalent to the physical golden ratio of 1.609.
im both a man, and, a man who likes and follows elite distance sport for decades. I would know inside my retina which woman or which biomechanical form shares the golden ratio ar encodes for physical ‘beauty’.
I love the golden ratio explain. I learnt something new. Humans feel and sense the world around us with ratios and proportions that subconsciously govern our choices and behaviours. Recognizing this feature is what allows us go from being human to super human.
Don't worry about the haters Yea? keep going bro the high quality posts inspire some of us
I don’t recognise quality by names. I recognise it by the substance that I read and sh&t and yea? have the honor of having the best posts I ever read on this board and since it’s creation. It stumped me and made me question everything I ever thought was true or right. I hate em but have to love em still.
That was interesting. I don't think I have ever watched an Olympian's practice.
The amazing thing is his back kick. Notice how far forward his knee is. His foot comes all the way up. He gets full flexion. I think I remember watching that on some sprint videos.
You are no match for us people of seniority in the world of distance expertise and biomechanical golden ratio. You don’t have our discernment and selective picking skills. To have your thigh raised so darn high for just a 64s pace and kicked all the way back just demonstrates gross inefficiency and simmering festering trauma in the body. Not life threatening but low grade chronic inflammation in the blood vessels. Those that could clot the vessels and lead to heart attack. But low grade and enough to tense up your joints and muscles. Still fast but inefficiently fast and then leads to more problems like injuries and illness later and finally he has to stop.
There was another thread by someone called Ralph havens and I think the point mentioned here is similar to what Ralph had explained. Bad form equals blood flow quality problem, Fisher is forewarned. Someone needs to tell him that.
Strange isn’t it? Running 64s makes Fisher’s blood so acidic? Makes you think all the biomechanical form complaints on this board the reason for this overkill? It’s supposed to be a very easy pace for him even after an easy 5:08 opening 2k and 5 minutes of rest. Alberto would have had Galen easily run this sort of paces year round with multiple orgasm-like peaks but with to drugs. Galen had much better form and that explains.
Out of context analysis by you. It's almost the same as judging someone's HR levels not knowing his max. Plus, if coach was hoping for 8mmol and he measures 8.1 then all is good.
Don't forget double bronze Olympic medals for that team.
True but let’s apply common sense as Trump recommends with mRNA vaccines? Do you really think Fisher’s max HR is higher than any of the East African distance greats with such underdeveloped physical and musculoskeletal structure? Just look at him, he looks like a drug pampered babysitter in terms of built and temperament and could never hold a spear and shield and fight a real man’s battle.
It doesn’t sound right too. Josh Kerr’s rhythm was so much stronger, consistent and guarded than Grant and Sam’s who both don’t present to my eyes enough poise and agility, if at all, in the wind and in symphony with all the other elements like gravity, their super shoes and the circumference of the bend. The El G workout video showed a similar workout to this and you can see the way he moved is so much more superior to Grant and even Josh. Grant’s running doesn’t demonstrate mastery of the physical elements for a physical sport but yet he runs so fast. This cannot happen and must be due to other factors like PEDs.
It's well established that you can't judge biomechanical efficiency by eye. There was an experiment with a group of coaches, and they were no better than random at sorting runners efficiency by eye.
They might not have been that good of a coach after all. Biomechanics a efficiency must pass the eye test for sure but it may not necessarily be the end all criteria for good running. There can be additional criteria. For sure Josh Hoey fails the eye test.
This thread is getting silly. Grant Fisher is quite literally the very best American runner at the moment, double bronze medalist and AR holder, and he and his coach shared a video and insight into a day in the life. Even more impressive that he ran it without a watch. Just going by feel. And we are just going to sit here and criticize his form? His form looked fine, honed by many months and years of training. It’s very difficult to have “perfect” form. He is very efficient, no excessive movements.
This thread is getting silly. Grant Fisher is quite literally the very best American runner at the moment, double bronze medalist and AR holder, and he and his coach shared a video and insight into a day in the life. Even more impressive that he ran it without a watch. Just going by feel. And we are just going to sit here and criticize his form? His form looked fine, honed by many months and years of training. It’s very difficult to have “perfect” form. He is very efficient, no excessive movements.
All the mentally unhinged comments criticizing his form are from the same guy using 3 different usernames. I suspect this same unmedicated individual is responsible for much of the depravity that plagues this message board.
This thread is getting silly. Grant Fisher is quite literally the very best American runner at the moment, double bronze medalist and AR holder, and he and his coach shared a video and insight into a day in the life. Even more impressive that he ran it without a watch. Just going by feel. And we are just going to sit here and criticize his form? His form looked fine, honed by many months and years of training. It’s very difficult to have “perfect” form. He is very efficient, no excessive movements.
Is this all your defense of Fisher? I’m not convinced. Saying someone has the perfect form just because he is the area record holder ignores other tools like PEDs.
This thread is getting silly. Grant Fisher is quite literally the very best American runner at the moment, double bronze medalist and AR holder, and he and his coach shared a video and insight into a day in the life. Even more impressive that he ran it without a watch. Just going by feel. And we are just going to sit here and criticize his form? His form looked fine, honed by many months and years of training. It’s very difficult to have “perfect” form. He is very efficient, no excessive movements.
All the mentally unhinged comments criticizing his form are from the same guy using 3 different usernames. I suspect this same unmedicated individual is responsible for much of the depravity that plagues this message board.
There was a true comment about Khamis and king of physics earlier and it got deleted. Let’s face it, there is no objective evidence it’s them but yet somehow the board can figure out it’s still them because of the special intelligence in which they write and speak. Why doesn’t the board think it’s Armstrongliv or Ruxton? It’s because they don’t show such ethereal quality in their musings and not because they are medicated or unmedicated.
The 4 minute mile was during that smoky day. The claim was he opened up his workout with the 4 minute mile, following a warm up
Was it Kenny Moore who stated this?
The smoky 4-minute mile was a one-off. He and Dellinger had scheduled a day to run it, and probably would have cancelled it, but the word had gotten out and maybe a thousand people showed up to watch, and Pre didn’t want to let them down.
It’s all in the book about Pre, by Tom Jordan.
Pretty sure the claim in that book was that he warmed up, ran a 4 minute mile, then ran his workout.
The duration of combustion of their peaks are shorter and less broad. Grant just had a down year in 2023 and then an up in 2024. He is slated for a down in 2025. Watch and see.
That is interesting. I do agree with you that the fact that Grant is "always in shape" is on one hand awesome but, as you pointed out, also exhausting. Being in 7:25 3000m shape and then 12:50 5000m shape and 26:40 10km shape all the time can't be easy on the body. But he seems to pull it off, so what do I know.
Where you and I disagree is in how we think he does this. I don't think he is doping.
But yes, it seems as if he doesn't really have a true "peak" but rather just maintains his (awesome) fitness all year round. Maybe he takes a big break in the Fall?
The world's most elite runners have this trait in common, so it's not abnormal. They are so close to their genetic ability's edge and yet so gifted (either by the very same genetics or ergogenic aid as some would argue) that they can maintain pretty close to it without major setbacks.
Is he in the same shape year-round? No, he still has a peaking period, but he makes it look like he is in similar fitness because there's not much difference between his off-season fitness and his racing fitness. He is maximizing his potential and there's only so much more to grow in a given time period.
As evidence that he does in fact 'peak' during a season and rest for certain races, here is this interview: