Trump inaugural address: "There are only 2 genders"

Yes, a nipple-supremacist definition works about as well as any other. And we can add something meaningless like “exceptions just define the norm”.

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large tittie.
(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small tittie.

That’s a professional and not social association.

What’s the gender of hermaphroditic snail? Or does it not have one, because gender is a human construct that is based on how one is perceived in society on the spectrum of masculinity and femininity?

No need to apologize, the majority of people - left and right - agree with you.

I would expect 90% of this site agrees with you. My theory is that athletes or former athletes acutely understand the difference in performance, while unathletic people are more likely to not understand. Like the people who think Caitlin Clark could compete in the NBA or Serena Williams could play with the men are just clueless.

And I say this as a lefty who is fully supportive of trans rights. But not in this arena, not fair to cis women.

Actually, it is the rightwingers who disagree with you. They think Y chromosome should automatically disqualify anyone from women's sports regardless of their testosterone level.

For the purposes of sport, there is a simple solution:If there’s a dick at birth it is a man. If no dick at birth then it is a woman.

But it's precisely because men in positions of power in the world of sports decided use this ridiculously phallocentric rule of thumb - rule of dick? - as the criteria for deciding a person's sex that so many males born with missing, minuscule and/or malformed penises have ended up competing and cleaning up in women's sports.

As I see it, there's far more reason to regard the testes as the definitive male sex organ instead of the penis.

In terms of reproductive function, the testes are of central importance and the penis is only secondary. After all, testes are where sperm is made, whereas the penis is just part of the sperm transport and delivery system. The penis handles final leg of the sperm's journey out of the male body, but the testes are the factory floor/manufacturing plant where sperm production happens in the first place.

Similarly, when it comes to determining how individuals develop and whether they should be competing in the female or male category of sport, the penis is of way less importance than the the testes too.

In fact, a penis makes no difference in sports potential and performance at all. In the court hearings in Caster Semenya's case against the IAAF/WA, the medical experts who testified for the IAAF/WA said that apart from the appearance/configuration of the external genitals, there's no physical difference between Semenya and any of the other healthy, fit male athletes competing in track & field.

Also, the sports career trajectories of the many XY DSD athletes who've dominated in women's track and field over the years - and the significant numbers of XY DSD athletes who are continuing to dominate in women's soccer/football and boxing at the highest levels of those sports - show that it's not fair to perform sex testing on athletes in the female category only at the professional or elite amatuer level where "the stakes are higher."

Long before XY DSD athletes with unfair male advantage like Semenya, Chand, Niyonsaba, Mboma, Banda, Khelif reach the higher levels of girls' and women's sports, they've all trounced, displaced and dispirited a whole lot of young female athletes - and they've used up a great deal of resources that should have gone to female athletes, along with garnering attention and accolades that female athletes in their villages, schools, regions, home countries and parts of the world don't get.

BTW, here's a slightly off topic but related tidbit of info you might want to ponder: if the world's women were surveyed and we all answered honestly, I think you'd find that even - especially? - women who enjoy having sex with men don't hew to the view that the penis is the end-all and be-all of male body parts.

I apologize for misconstruing your post about Lazuli Clark.

But I still don't get what purpose you were trying to achieve in bringing him up on this thread. His case makes the many problems and dangers of the self-ID agenda you're pushing patently clear. So I don't see why you chose to bring up and point to Clark on this thread in he first place, and why you did so without taking pains to make it crystal clear that you don't approve of his behavior.

Now as for the latest person you've brought up, Nicole Talbot, 23. You seem to be presenting Talbot as sterling example of the kinds of males you believe belong in female sports and spaces and you think women like me should be welcoming with open arms:

Nicole Talbot is praiseworthy for having performed as a female vocalist for more than a decade. She does not have any advantage over cis women as a vocalist. But she is genuine and authentic for performing as her true self.

Given that Talbot is male, how is it possible for Talbot to have "performed as a female vocalist for more than a decade"?

Wouldn't it be more honest and accurate to say that "Talbot has been taking roles meant for female vocalists for more than a decade"?

Also, I'd like to see some evidence to back up your claim that Talbot doesn't have any advantage over the female vocalists you insultingly cast as "cis women" (against the objections the majority of women who reject the sexist "cis" label you insist on imposing on us).

How about you start by sharing the results of the medical testing that Talbot went through showing that

1) Talbot doesn't have lungs that are 10-12% larger and more powerful than the lungs of a female of the same size and age like other adult males do;

2) Talbot's throat isn't 40% larger than the throats of Talbot's female peers like the throats of adult males usually are;

3) Talbot has a female rib cage and thorax;

4) Talbot has a female respiratory system, female airway cells and secretions, and a female heart - and thus all the exact same breathing mechanics and CV capacity as females do.

Talbot's website says:

Assigned male at birth, Nicole transitioned to living authentically as female in 2015 at age 13.

Pray tell, how does a 13-year-old boy go about "living authentically as female"?

How exactly has 23-year-old Talbot been "living authentically as female" for the past 10 years?

Please spell out exactly what "living authentically as female" means and involves and how "living authentically as female" is possible for male people like Talbot.

To me, the only way to "live authentically as female" is to be a member of the female sex.

In fact, as I see it, only females can live inauthentically as female too.

But hey, what would I know? I'm just one of those dumb adult human females that trans activists constantly denigrate by calling us "cisgender" and "nontrans women" - the term that ACLU attorney Chase Strango used for us on social media just today - and all sorts of other offensive names that LRC's software won't let me use here.

I'm sure you can mansplain "living authentically as female" in a way that even an airhead like me will understand. So please have at it. TYA.

A very recent poll conducted by the NY Times disagrees

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/f548560f100205ef/e656ddda-full.pdf

You didn't hurt my feelings tubs, not one bit. Just setting you straight little guy, nothing more.

Like Hunter Biden who should not have been pardoned, if the allegations against these piece of garbage are true in your link, this scumbag should NOT be pardoned by Trump.

He should rot in jail if he had anything at all to do with human trafficking and child pornography. Zero empathy, never mess with kids ever or hold anyone against their will....unforgivable. Thanks for posting this.

Verbosa seems obsessed with cringe posting with regularity about aspects of sex with titillatory undertones that are irrelevant to trans/DSD issues.

Equally important, 64% of respondents who said they were Independents/Something else said that male athletes who "currently say they identify as female" should not be able to compete in women's sports.

Also, as a PSA: The question under discussion is on page 14 of that long poll document. Here's exacty how it was worded:

Q32. Thinking about transgender female athletes — meaning athletes who were male at birth but who currently identify as female - do you think they should or should not be allowed to compete in women'sports ?

Overall, only 18% percent said they yes, they should be able to.

5% of respondents who are Republican or lean R said yes, they should.

31% of respondents who are Democrats or lean D said yes, they should.

10% of respondents who or Independents or Something else said yes, they should.

1% of Rs/Lean R; 3% of Ds/lean D; and 26% of Is/Se refused to answer the question.

I just love it when you make posts that give me good reason to respond with this comedic gem:

So thanks, mate.

How do we know there is no tempering between conception and birth? You’d better take some explicit pictures to serve as evidence.

Wow, you seem dumb.

You are literally proving his point for him.

Religious affiliation, gender, and medical board certification are all creations of society, not immutable biological traits.

These categories are based not solely on unchanging traits, but also on rules invented by society.

That is the same whether they are Trump's rules, or the rules of those who believe in greater gender diversity.

These are all small rifes to make the trolls and christians happy. Once they are distracted, he will begin ruining them financially while benefiting his rich business partners and hurting their health and educational growth. Keyboard warriors who have no real running friends trying to stir the pot with him, enjoy losing more running friends, we all still don’t want you in our running groups with the transphobic/anti-african BS.

The complicit individuals and the ones provoking the agenda need to be held accountable and punished in order for true change to take hold. They all want everyone to forget. To forget what they imposed, demanded and incited. They want everyone to forget how they shamed and/or canceled people who pushed back. These people need to be held accountable, or else they'll just imply similar tactics at another point in time when the toxic democrats inevitably take hold of power once again.

This isn't about saving women's sports, jeezus h. This misogynistic tw*t couldn't give a sh*t about women's sports, or women at all for that matter. Its about setting up another "out" group for persecution as a way to further distract the cult. That's all.

You'd have to ask Nicole what she means by that. As a cis person, I will never fully understand what a trans person is going through. However, I understand it well enough to accept that it is genuine. (A point made by Jamie Bruesehoff in her book.)

As for her advantage as a "female" vocalist, if she has innate advantage, how don't we see more natal males in sopranos and altos? How are the vocal competitions in treble not dominated by natal males? Why did Lazuli Clark compete in TBB instead of treble? Wouldn't it be easier to defeat girls in treble than beating boys in TBB?

The reason I mentioned Clark is to show that there are indeed "men /boys who use their gender identity claim to horn in on women's / girls sports." Clark seems to be one of them. However, most athletes listed by hecheated.org, Reduxx or Icons Women's Sports are not. You don't see trans people as individuals because you see them as inferior to you.

For example, I don't think this person is "horning in" on the women's team. Her teammates certainly do not think so.

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The question is not asked on the divisions based on "innate levels of testosterone."

The Republicans could not care less about "innate levels of testosterone." They only care about chromosomes, gonads and genitalia. And when those three things do not neatly align, they refuse to answer which one is the most important.