I think he thought he could be competitive and go with the leaders. He couldn't. He was done at 10k. He essentially over-estimated his abilities - as his fans routinely do. I don't think he could have run sub-1 hr.
Having to change pace and strategy during a race is something that people like Kipchoge and Bekele would never do. It is unheard of!
They tend not to walk and come in at the back of the field at their "best distance". Less a change of pace and strategy than that he simply blew up.
I think he thought he could be competitive and go with the leaders. He couldn't. He was done at 10k. He essentially over-estimated his abilities - as his fans routinely do. I don't think he could have run sub-1 hr.
He had just come off a season of basically 1500m races. You are such a disingenuous raging loom that it’s hilarious. As others have pointed out, you really went over the deep end once Jakob got married. You are obviously pining for something from Jakob (and other guys) you’ll never get. It’s almost pitiful seeing a wretched old man go out this way. You must present myriad problems for the nursing home staff.
You fans really do get very excited when you read opinions you don't like.
I don't think he would have gotten this far if he LACKED speed work. The guy does not run his races accurately. His 400m speed is likely around 47 and most 5k runners ( east African ) have around 48-49 400m speed. This is why Jakob runs with less effort in the 5k because he does not have to run at 95% compared to his Kenyans and east africans counterparts who have to run near their all out effort. Why do you think Mo worked on this 400m speed ? he was a terrible finisher and a lacked the strength to finish a race.
Jakob is nowhere near 47 speed. If he was he would be a 1:42-43 runner over the 800. No chance. He would also never be outkicked over the 1500. He is.
I do think Jakob could benefit from speed work. With the caveat that I'm a hack and that I have my own definition of speed work.
Distance runners conventionally define speed work as hard repeats of 200m or something. A sprinter would never call that speed work, because you can't actually sprint repeat 200M. It feels like a sprint to a distance runner but it isn't a true sprint. No one in the world can go TRUE full gas for even 100M. (even 100M sprinters pace their races)
I think Jakob could really benefit from working with a sprint coach to work on his top end speed and form. He's got all the fitness he needs. He just needs to develop his technique. This will give him a higher speed reserve and make running at top speed easier.
Lots of wickets, speed drills, over speeds and video analysis might get him another 1-2M of separation in a finishing straight in a championship final. I'm talking about 5-10% of the speed work/drills a sprinter might do. Just enough to maintain and develop the skill of top speed sprinting but not trash the legs.
True sprint work is incredibly taxing of the nervous system and needs to be introduced judiciously into a distance runners program. But I think it's the last stone unturned for his program.
He isn't a fast twitch athlete. He will never have real sprint speed.
The man is so done. You can crow about his CV for all we care but something’s not quite right with him anymore. His performances while still valid strangely belies a sinking ship. Not sunken but sinking. That’s the difference. He succumbs far too easily to illness and said something like I always get a virus around the summer and winter but did strongman Bekele or Haile ever mentioned they get any at any time in their life. Those 2 are immortals it seems compared to Jakob.
After breaking up with mum and dad he also probably broke up with mum’s daily special concoction ginseng health tonic and others and for an immunocompromised guy like Jakob, that’s the last thing you want to break up with. He also lacks vitamin D if he is getting sick twice or thrice a year. We never heard of ElG getting sick did we?
Jakob loses championships because of his stupid insistence on running “honorably” i.e. from the front, not because he can’t kick. Make a speedster like Cole lead at a fast pace for 1400m and he’ll get dropped the same way Jakob did in Paris. When you run that way, you make yourself the only one who doesn’t have a pacer. It’s a massive disadvantage.
Tactics are his problem, not training.
how do you get 100 upvotes
everyone knows he has to lead because his kick is worse than others
how is he going to "make" cole lead? at gunpoint?
the only thing jakob hasn't tried at this point is kicking from 600-900 out
The ability to sprint and the ability to kick either off a slow pace or fast pace are not the same. Perhaps he doesn't do enough tempo-change work over varying distances to develop the speed that he has (which may be good enough). Coe practiced going from 300m out - accelerating every 100m. Double threshold and hill repeats are not going to develop this, neither are fast 100m strides/sprints. Not saying that he doesn't do any of it - but have never seen him do it, and certainly it isn't a well known element of his posted training. It isn't something done all year and it is taxing when done well. I know lots of coaching programs that rarely, if ever, seem to include this in training.
I agree. This comes from the way you train. Very few people train for a 'double kick'. I tended to train like a 10k / half runner regardless of event. I'd be strong enough to have a good long drive from 1000 out in, for example, 5000 (think when you're racing for time, not place) or a strong shorter kick from 400 out, but I could almost never pass people in the final ~100 or so. I'd need to be ahead of them - I could hold off pretty well but could never pass.
What if Ingebrigtsen trained for a double kick, only to beat by someone who triple kicked?
The man is so done. You can crow about his CV for all we care but something’s not quite right with him anymore. His performances while still valid strangely belies a sinking ship. Not sunken but sinking. That’s the difference. He succumbs far too easily to illness and said something like I always get a virus around the summer and winter but did strongman Bekele or Haile ever mentioned they get any at any time in their life. Those 2 are immortals it seems compared to Jakob.
After breaking up with mum and dad he also probably broke up with mum’s daily special concoction ginseng health tonic and others and for an immunocompromised guy like Jakob, that’s the last thing you want to break up with. He also lacks vitamin D if he is getting sick twice or thrice a year. We never heard of ElG getting sick did we?
None of that matters. All that matters is that Jakob’s PR is less than a second ahead of a dude who is 1) improving at a faster rate, 2) a year younger, 3) was impeded in his PR and 4) ran his PR as his 3rd race in 5 days.
Was Jakob garbage away ahead? Yes. Is he now? No.
The evidence would indicate that on both of their best days, Cole would be even closer than his 0.9 delta.
None of that matters. All that matters is that Jakob’s PR is less than a second ahead of a dude who is 1) improving at a faster rate, 2) a year younger, 3) was impeded in his PR and 4) ran his PR as his 3rd race in 5 days.
Was Jakob garbage away ahead? Yes. Is he now? No.
The evidence would indicate that on both of their best days, Cole would be even closer than his 0.9 delta.
How is Hocker improving at a faster rate? What does his age have anything to do with this? He was barely impeded and would have closed at about the same speed regardless. These guys are fit enough that the two other heat/semi races barely have an impact. No, the evidence indicates that in a time trial, Hocker is nowhere close to Jakob, which you claimed the opposite of in your original post.
Help us build the best running shoe review site for a chance to win a LetsRun t-shirt.Help us build the best running shoe review site for a chance to win one of 10 LetsRun t-shirts.