Well, I missed him. And you found other posters to call dense when he was away -you clearly don’t like other opinions than your own, do you?
You also have to learn how to read: “His 3k time hasn’t improved his 5k time” is factually correct -only an improved 5k time improves the 5k time.. Yeah, you could say that it’s a too narrowly and too literally way of reading a sentence, but I side with Armstronglivs that one has to state some facts here, when some of you present your speculations as sacred facts…
Personally I think Jakob’s 3k WR is an indicator of him also having bettered his 5000m strength. And I’m pretty sure Arms thinks the same -he has in a post stated that he can see Jakob run close to 12.40 (an improvement of some 8 sec). Have you forgotten that, Lars?
But an improvement from Jakob doesn’t mean that he automatically or easily can run a WR, or always win the 5000m champs, as some of you seems to think. And it’s symptomatic that some of you instantly gets erratic when posters try to be nuanced around Jakob’s 5000m prospects…
I can see the following situation: Gebrhiwet (or some other stellar African) runs 12.33, whereas Jakob only can do 12.40 or maybe 12.38. -Such a scenario will of course mean no WR for Jakob, and possibly also a WC/DL/OG loss.
I’m a Jakob fan, so I hope he manages to find a solution so the scenario above doesn’t materialises as a definite thing. But judging pros and cons when it comes to indications (Jakob’s many 5000m wins where the other medalists have “bad” pb’s, up against his long races where he seems to be worse the longer the distance) I for now would guess that a 5000m WR is out of reach, and that he also risks losing against guys like Gebrhiwet (in peak shape/healthy)…
Well expressed. I wouldn't substantially differ with your views about Ingebrigtsen's prospects.
Since 4 years, this was the point. Changing subject, only thing you can do. As always.
It isn't the point. You try to change it to make him look better. He has lost every global 1500 championship final in the last 3 years.
Exactly this was the point: since 4 years he has lost any global 1500m championship final. That's wrong. I don't want him to look better You were wrong - just a fact
Kennesia bekele 1500m pb in Shanghai 331 just behind Kip Komen 329 guy in a one off.
KB workouts to peak were 62 plus 52 to 53 sec 800 repeats.
which is an adaptation for closing in 52
which wins 5 and 10k champs.
which he did
exactly
with the greatest aerobic engine on the planet, and 52 sec 400 off a hot pace, that's why he was very seldom beaten.
the El G loss, in the OG 5000, well El G was enough of an aerobic beast himself coupled with a drafting setup and pace that he could manage (barely), Bekele's 52 wasn't a match for a guy that can close 1500s in 146 800.
It was a nice little period in here while you were away.
Well, I missed him. And you found other posters to call dense when he was away -you clearly don’t like other opinions than your own, do you?
You also have to learn how to read: “His 3k time hasn’t improved his 5k time” is factually correct -only an improved 5k time improves the 5k time.. Yeah, you could say that it’s a too narrowly and too literally way of reading a sentence, but I side with Armstronglivs that one has to state some facts here, when some of you present your speculations as sacred facts…
Personally I think Jakob’s 3k WR is an indicator of him also having bettered his 5000m strength. And I’m pretty sure Arms thinks the same -he has in a post stated that he can see Jakob run close to 12.40 (an improvement of some 8 sec). Have you forgotten that, Lars?
But an improvement from Jakob doesn’t mean that he automatically or easily can run a WR, or always win the 5000m champs, as some of you seems to think. And it’s symptomatic that some of you instantly gets erratic when posters try to be nuanced around Jakob’s 5000m prospects…
I can see the following situation: Gebrhiwet (or some other stellar African) runs 12.33, whereas Jakob only can do 12.40 or maybe 12.38. -Such a scenario will of course mean no WR for Jakob, and possibly also a WC/DL/OG loss.
I’m a Jakob fan, so I hope he manages to find a solution so the scenario above doesn’t materialises as a definite thing. But judging pros and cons when it comes to indications (Jakob’s many 5000m wins where the other medalists have “bad” pb’s, up against his long races where he seems to be worse the longer the distance) I for now would guess that a 5000m WR is out of reach, and that he also risks losing against guys like Gebrhiwet (in peak shape/healthy)…
You shouldn't feel disrespected just because I pointed out your logical flaws. For instance where you don’t see the obvious in that J.I would prioritize an olympic final over a HM 1.5 days into his offseason, but rather think that both are an equal representation of his ability.
I can see the following situation: Gebrhiwet (or some other stellar African) runs 12.33, whereas Jakob only can do 12.40 or maybe 12.38. -Such a scenario will of course mean no WR for Jakob, and possibly also a WC/DL/OG loss
Anyone can dream up scenarios. They are not exactly a proof or even a noteworthy argument to make. I can see the following situation: I run in to a 12:15, Geb (or some other stellar African) runs 12:33 and Jakob can only do 12:55, and possibly also a WC/dl/og loss (why is it possibly, in your scenario Geb is running 7 seconds faster, how is it not a loss?).
Ofcourse Geb or anyone else can run faster than Jakob.
By the way, I proposed to Armstronglivs that he was trying to make the point that his PR hadn't gone down, but he denied it. Maybe you should learn to read as well?
By your logic Stewart McSweyn hasn't broken 2 minutes in an official 800m race - his PB is 2:01, so he can't go sub 2 in the 800.
That isn't my "logic". It is simply to point out that despite his records and fast times in other events Ingebrigtsen has made no improvement in his 5k time in 3 years and remains a country mile short of the wr. Unlike McSweyn in the 800m (who has run faster than 2min in a mile race), he has also competed seriously in the 5k. But nothing he has run in several years of competing over the longer event suggests he can take a wr that is 13 seconds faster than his best. He isn't naturally a 5k/10k runner so his chances are slim.
Why care so much about his 10k time if we are discussing his 5k time? Isnt being two times world champion and the olympic champion a good indication that he is a natural 5k runner?
For all your "knowledge" he remains 13 seconds off the world record and gets no closer to it. Nothing argued here means he will break it.
So you are saying that you think J.I is as close to breaking the world record as he was when he set is 5k pr?
I am saying he is no closer to the wr than he was 3 years ago - despite him being what some posters describe as a 5k runner. That isn't an argument that he may never run any faster than he has; it simply shows that the 5k record remains out of reach for him until he demonstrates otherwise.
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