They simply decided to reclassify an established known mental pathology due to "stigma" and other social concerns. Wasn't morbid obesity reclassified for similar "social" concerns? Hardly scientific.
Are you saying obesity is a mental illness
Sure, obesity does have numerous psychological/behavioral aspects that manifest in the physical condition. Similar to gender dysphoria, obesity starts with psychological and behavioral indications that could otherwise be treatable.
Unless you have a doctorates decree is psychology, you cannot claim it to be a mental pathology. But yes, I would be comfortable with people addressing me with pronouns based on how they perceive me. It has been over a decade since ANYONE has addressed me using masculine pronouns (aside from on here but if you've noticed I have never called them out), because no one inspects every person so thoroughly to figure out if they are trans or not. Not only would that be a gross invasion of privacy, it is also illegal. So anyone who has opinions about gender would address me using my pronouns. And it seems like you transphobic people are he ones throwing a tantrum about trans people trying to exist in their own reality.
Whatever reality is for transgender people is fine. It's when they expect non transgender people to join in their fantasy, there is the problem. I see a man I treat him as a man, not at all concerned with some game he wants to play,
What is wrong is thinking just because they identify as a female they are a female, No, they aren't.
I could never join a female sports team no matter what I identify as, I have too much respect for those ladies knowing they don't want me out there.
I have eyes. It’s blindingly obvious to see a dude in a dress.
This is SOOO funny beyond description. When you see an obvious "dude in a dress" you notice it. But when you see a totally passing trans woman, you don't even know whether you have seen a trans woman.
Exactly! I couldn't agree more. On average throughout the USA, about 0.6% of people identify as trans (and are not closeted). Which means that about 1/200 people are trans. Even in the states with the lowest percentage there is about 0.3%, which means about 1/333 people are trans. And I don't know about him, but as a trans person always on the lookout for allies, I see maybe 4 people who I might guess are trans. Out of about 5000 people per day. So if someone who knows what to look for and is always looking can find maybe 1/3 of trans people, someone who doesn't look for them or only looks for them in order to hate on them would miss so many more.
Based on your statement, I assume you would call yourself a man. In other words, you identify as a man. That is no different that trans people. You identify as a man, therefore you are a man. And anyways, I compete on a girls sports team, and though some people on here have complained about me most of my team as well as some members of teams I compete against have stood by me. For the most part, they would be glad to have you as long as you actually believe yourself to be female.
I have eyes. It’s blindingly obvious to see a dude in a dress.
how many trans people do you see on a daily basis? And if you don't mind, can you tell me what state you're in (or at least west coast, east coast, south, or north)?
how many trans people do you see on a daily basis? And if you don't mind, can you tell me what state you're in (or at least west coast, east coast, south, or north)?
What’s disappointing to gen x ers is we grew up believing girls could wear blue, boys could play with dolls, because boys could like pink and girls could like sports. Now this generation thinks if a boy wakes up and wants to wear pink it must mean they are either really a girl or at minimum gender fluid! So in a few generations we went from we can all like what we like, to now if your superficial appearance consists of gender norms from the 1950’s then you have been misgendered at birth.
What’s disappointing to gen x ers is we grew up believing girls could wear blue, boys could play with dolls, because boys could like pink and girls could like sports. Now this generation thinks if a boy wakes up and wants to wear pink it must mean they are either really a girl or at minimum gender fluid! So in a few generations we went from we can all like what we like, to now if your superficial appearance consists of gender norms from the 1950’s then you have been misgendered at birth.
This is completely false. There are so many gender expansive people who are for example female, yet wear typically masculine or andro clothing. Someones gender has nothing to do with someones style, all LGBTQ people understand this. Gender is not defined by anything, not your style, not your genitalia. It is simply a social construct created by people to explain why people are different than you.
This violates the 14th amendment. "Girls don't compete against boys. Unless they want to." However, you claim that the opposite is false. This is discrimination against transgender girls (even if you claim them to be boys it is discrimination against boys) which is discrimination on the basis of gender. That is against the Constitution of the United States.
Your reading of the 14th Amendment is just as off-base as the nonsense claim that a male who gets a surgically-created cavity has a"vagina."
The 14th Amendment allows for people in the USA to be treated differently under the law in circumstances where we are measurably different or "situated differently" in a way, or in multiple ways, that have a genuine bearing on the matter at hand.
For example, under the 14th Amendment, schools in the USA are permitted to treat students differently depending on their age, abilities and knowledge base.
12-year-olds, teenagers and adults can’t enroll in kindergarten even if they have disabilities that mean they have the “mental capacity of a 5 year-old.”
High school students in the US can’t take AP courses or other advanced classes if they don’t meet the prerequisites.
When child prodigies who are intellectually advanced well beyond their years are allowed to skip ahead several grades or more in their academic coursework, they still aren’t allowed to take driver’s ed classes until they reach the chronological age for getting a learner’s permit.
Schools are allowed to have rules which restrict enrollment to kids who’ve been toilet trained, have had a health checkup, and whose parents/guardians have submitted the standard paperwork showing their child has been immunized against certain childhood illnesses.
Public schools in the US are allowed to restrict enrollment to students who legally reside in the district and/or within each particular school's catchment area.
It’s totally permissible under the 14th Amendment to treat males and females differently when it comes to determining eligibility for women’s and girls’ school sports and sports outside a school context.
Males who say they have a trans, femme, non-binary or other special gender identity aren’t being excluded from the female category because of their gender identity, gender expression, the gender labels they've adopted or the pronouns they want other people to refer to them by. They’re being excluded because of their sex.
What’s disappointing to gen x ers is we grew up believing girls could wear blue, boys could play with dolls, because boys could like pink and girls could like sports. Now this generation thinks if a boy wakes up and wants to wear pink it must mean they are either really a girl or at minimum gender fluid! So in a few generations we went from we can all like what we like, to now if your superficial appearance consists of gender norms from the 1950’s then you have been misgendered at birth.
No, they don't! A boy who likes pink is a boy who likes pink. A boy who likes to dress up as a Disney Princess is a boy who likes to dress up as a Disney princess.
Why don't you listen to what trans kids and their parents have to say, before judging them based on your world view? You may actually learn something you didn't know.
This violates the 14th amendment. "Girls don't compete against boys. Unless they want to." However, you claim that the opposite is false. This is discrimination against transgender girls (even if you claim them to be boys it is discrimination against boys) which is discrimination on the basis of gender. That is against the Constitution of the United States.
Your reading of the 14th Amendment is just as off-base as the nonsense claim that a male who gets a surgically-created cavity has a"vagina."
The 14th Amendment allows for people in the USA to be treated differently under the law in circumstances where we are measurably different or "situated differently" in a way, or in multiple ways, that have a genuine bearing on the matter at hand.
For example, under the 14th Amendment, schools in the USA are permitted to treat students differently depending on their age, abilities and knowledge base.
12-year-olds, teenagers and adults can’t enroll in kindergarten even if they have disabilities that mean they have the “mental capacity of a 5 year-old.”
High school students in the US can’t take AP courses or other advanced classes if they don’t meet the prerequisites.
When child prodigies who are intellectually advanced well beyond their years are allowed to skip ahead several grades or more in their academic coursework, they still aren’t allowed to take driver’s ed classes until they reach the chronological age for getting a learner’s permit.
Schools are allowed to have rules which restrict enrollment to kids who’ve been toilet trained, have had a health checkup, and whose parents/guardians have submitted the standard paperwork showing their child has been immunized against certain childhood illnesses.
Public schools in the US are allowed to restrict enrollment to students who legally reside in the district and/or within each particular school's catchment area.
It’s totally permissible under the 14th Amendment to treat males and females differently when it comes to determining eligibility for women’s and girls’ school sports and sports outside a school context.
Males who say they have a trans, femme, non-binary or other special gender identity aren’t being excluded from the female category because of their gender identity, gender expression, the gender labels they've adopted or the pronouns they want other people to refer to them by. They’re being excluded because of their sex.
Ok, a bit a further research and I found you are correct, though by a technicality. I was mistakenly considering Title IX as a part of the 14 amendment, when it is just a well known interpretation of it. So for this mistake, I apologize. However, this government site specifically states that "Title IX, which is of particular interest to young people, prohibits institutions that receive federal funding from excluding students from participating in educational and athletic programs on the basis of sex." And what you very clearly said violates this, "They're being excluded because of their sex."
During the 150th anniversary year of the 14th Amendment, take a look at the evolution of Title IX, which prohibits sex discrimination in educational programs and activities.
Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance suggested in an interview with podcast host Joe Rogan that aired Thursday that White upper- and middle-class children are incentivized to identify as transgender to gain admissi...
What’s disappointing to gen x ers is we grew up believing girls could wear blue, boys could play with dolls, because boys could like pink and girls could like sports. Now this generation thinks if a boy wakes up and wants to wear pink it must mean they are either really a girl or at minimum gender fluid! So in a few generations we went from we can all like what we like, to now if your superficial appearance consists of gender norms from the 1950’s then you have been misgendered at birth.
This is completely false. There are so many gender expansive people who are for example female, yet wear typically masculine or andro clothing. Someones gender has nothing to do with someones style, all LGBTQ people understand this. Gender is not defined by anything, not your style, not your genitalia. It is simply a social construct created by people to explain why people are different than you.
That's right: "gender is not defined by anything." It's nebulous and woolly regressively sexist, superficial and shallow bollocks with no clear, fixed, coherent meaning. It has less substance and validity than star signs.
It's precisely because "gender is not defined by anything" that many people think it makes no sense whatsoever to use gender as the defining criteria for sports classifications and as the dividing line for sex-separated spaces like locker rooms, toilets, showers, sleeping quarters, shelters and prisons.
What’s disappointing to gen x ers is we grew up believing girls could wear blue, boys could play with dolls, because boys could like pink and girls could like sports. Now this generation thinks if a boy wakes up and wants to wear pink it must mean they are either really a girl or at minimum gender fluid! So in a few generations we went from we can all like what we like, to now if your superficial appearance consists of gender norms from the 1950’s then you have been misgendered at birth.
No, they don't! A boy who likes pink is a boy who likes pink. A boy who likes to dress up as a Disney Princess is a boy who likes to dress up as a Disney princess.
Why don't you listen to what trans kids and their parents have to say, before judging them based on your world view? You may actually learn something you didn't know.
Unless they are saying that their physical body morphs into that of a different gender then all they are saying is they are connecting emotions to gender. They are saying it’s I’m impossible to feel a certain feeling without being a certain gender. Which like I said gen x knew that if one day a boy Felt like wearing pink it didn’t change his biology. He was still a boy and didn’t need to feel shame. Now these kids are being told you should feel shame for being a boy and liking pink, the only right thing is to admit you are really a girl
Unless they are saying that their physical body morphs into that of a different gender then all they are saying is they are connecting emotions to gender.
What do you think is the physical body of a boy? What do you think is the physical body of a girl?
This is completely false. There are so many gender expansive people who are for example female, yet wear typically masculine or andro clothing. Someones gender has nothing to do with someones style, all LGBTQ people understand this. Gender is not defined by anything, not your style, not your genitalia. It is simply a social construct created by people to explain why people are different than you.
That's right: "gender is not defined by anything." It's nebulous and woolly regressively sexist, superficial and shallow bollocks with no clear, fixed, coherent meaning. It has less substance and validity than star signs.
It's precisely because "gender is not defined by anything" that many people think it makes no sense whatsoever to use gender as the defining criteria for sports classifications and as the dividing line for sex-separated spaces like locker rooms, toilets, showers, sleeping quarters, shelters and prisons.
Love this! When the debate lasts long enough they argument is a fluid as their identity! First it’s real so they have to be included in the sporting event, then it’s not real or definable! Which is it? If gender isn’t defined by anything then it has no argument in areas where biological sex is defined (sports, lockers, bathrooms).
This is completely false. There are so many gender expansive people who are for example female, yet wear typically masculine or andro clothing. Someones gender has nothing to do with someones style, all LGBTQ people understand this. Gender is not defined by anything, not your style, not your genitalia. It is simply a social construct created by people to explain why people are different than you.
That's right: "gender is not defined by anything." It's nebulous and woolly regressively sexist, superficial and shallow bollocks with no clear, fixed, coherent meaning. It has less substance and validity than star signs.
It's precisely because "gender is not defined by anything" that many people think it makes no sense whatsoever to use gender as the defining criteria for sports classifications and as the dividing line for sex-separated spaces like locker rooms, toilets, showers, sleeping quarters, shelters and prisons.
Because gender is meaningless, it can not be sexist. Something that has no meaning is not able to take sides. Here is an example (note that I do not believe this stance at all, it is merely an example so please do not take offense): 'A black person is worthless.' This sentence is very racist, however, the sentence contains meaningless words. Not every word is racist. In this example, the word 'A' is not racist. Similarly to gender, people have created meaningless words in order to fill in the gaps of their understanding; to make things make sense to them. Gender is one of those things. By itself, gender cannot be sexist, though, given context and depending on the situation, gender could be sexist.
And for your other claim, I wish that many people believed that, though sadly I absolutely believe that we are in the vast minority.
Unless they are saying that their physical body morphs into that of a different gender then all they are saying is they are connecting emotions to gender. They are saying it’s I’m impossible to feel a certain feeling without being a certain gender. Which like I said gen x knew that if one day a boy Felt like wearing pink it didn’t change his biology. He was still a boy and didn’t need to feel shame. Now these kids are being told you should feel shame for being a boy and liking pink, the only right thing is to admit you are really a girl
No, they are NOT.
The author of that book, Jamie, told her kid "the color is for everyone, and clothes are not everyone." She allowed her kid to wear any color, and do any activity she wanted.
And she is advocating the same thing to other parents. Allow them to do any activity they want regardless of their gender, wear whatever color they want, and choose friends regardless of gender. Expand the boundary for kids' life regardless of gender. Many kids will find they don't have to change their gender to be comfortable with themselves. That's what "raising kid beyond binary" means.
Her kid dropped out of a Montessori school in the first grade because she could not handle being treated as a boy at school. She attempted suicide multiple times before she was finally allowed to live as a girl. She is now a National Merit Commended Scholar and a star performer of her HS musical theatre and all Girls Choir. Being a "gender nonconforming" kid was not good enough for her. She wanted to connect with other girls as a girl.
So before passing judgement based on your superior wisdom, why don't you just LISTEN (or read) what other people have to say. They are not as stupid as you believe them to be.
That's right: "gender is not defined by anything." It's nebulous and woolly regressively sexist, superficial and shallow bollocks with no clear, fixed, coherent meaning. It has less substance and validity than star signs.
It's precisely because "gender is not defined by anything" that many people think it makes no sense whatsoever to use gender as the defining criteria for sports classifications and as the dividing line for sex-separated spaces like locker rooms, toilets, showers, sleeping quarters, shelters and prisons.
Love this! When the debate lasts long enough they argument is a fluid as their identity! First it’s real so they have to be included in the sporting event, then it’s not real or definable! Which is it? If gender isn’t defined by anything then it has no argument in areas where biological sex is defined (sports, lockers, bathrooms).
Sex and gender are no different. The only people who believe they are are transphobic people like you. For example, if you were to go to any transgender person and ask them for their gender and their sex, they will say Man/male, Woman/female, Non-binary/Non-binary, or other minorities. But you will very rarely here Man/female or Woman/male.
Unless they are saying that their physical body morphs into that of a different gender then all they are saying is they are connecting emotions to gender.
What do you think is the physical body of a boy? What do you think is the physical body of a girl?
If you have to ask that question then you have never been to a doctor or taken a biology class, had kids, looked at yourself in the shower , or opened an anatomy/physiology textbook. Outside of an intersex individual it’s clearly defined by chromosomes, the internal and external anatomy of female and male bodies. This is clearer after puberty, but even clear with infants as I have a boy and a girl. I have changed enough diapers and not once was their any confusion as to which of my children was the boy and which was the girl.
