Given the same percentage improvement (rounded up). Men USA trial winners ammended PB's.
Mantz just under 2:05
Fisher 12:30 5000m 25:59 10000m.
Hocker 3:26
Hoppel 1:40:5
Exactly! These guys are a similar age to Hull, except for Hocker who's a few years younger. Like Hull, they're all experienced competitors who have been through the NCAA system, run loads of races, run on fast tracks in the latest shoes, frequently against runners who are faster than them. For any of them to make a Hull-level improvement - over the course of a single race - would look extremely odd.
What in the world was that?? Everyone has had supershoes for 5 years now, those don't explain year-to-year drops of this magnitude anymore, much less month-to-month. Is she just coming along at the right time?
Also since I'm an American so I view everything through that lens: she was giving ESP all she could handle earlier this year, and ESP just frontran a 3:55 after 2 5ks and 2 1500s. Is she ready to drop something like a 3:51? I was really hoping she'd be competing for a medal this year, but now there are 4 women between 3:49.0 and 3:50.9 and ESP isn't one of them. Hull is certainly a medal favorite after that race. I was hoping ESP would be in contention too, but Kipyegon was so far behind those pacers that she wasn't getting any drafting benefits, and she still crushed Hull that last 200m and almost ran a 3:48.
That's definitely drugs. You'd be a fool to think it's natural progression.
imagine you are in the top 0.5% genetic running potential and have the ability to go pro. we know doping is a documented problem. how do you medal at the world stage when you are up against the other 0.5% of genetically gifted runners during a well documented doping epidemic (ie constant bans and past whistleblowers). please explain how it is possible to medal without doping. jess hull is likely doping as is her competition, but make no mistake, she's really gifted.
Antidoping efforts only catch dopers who are sloppy, but it's effective enough that you generally have to microdose and cycle off before major competitions, making it possible for sufficiently talented clean athletes to compete.
No idea who's doping and who isn't, but I'll just say that Kipyegon's progression has always passed the smell test for me, and I believe St. Pierre is capable of something similar to what Hull just did, 3:52 at the slowest if she chased Kipyegon like this.
The Olympic testing is actually stringent enough that dopers do in fact have to cycle off. We’ll see who can still run great times at the Olympics. It’s why I think runners like Kipyegon or Ingebrigtsen are LESS likely to be doping than many others, because they still run FAST at the Olympics. No way Hull even comes close to 3:50 at the Olympics, and that will say all that you need to know about what this performance was today.
Antidoping efforts only catch dopers who are sloppy, but it's effective enough that you generally have to microdose and cycle off before major competitions, making it possible for sufficiently talented clean athletes to compete.
No idea who's doping and who isn't, but I'll just say that Kipyegon's progression has always passed the smell test for me, and I believe St. Pierre is capable of something similar to what Hull just did, 3:52 at the slowest if she chased Kipyegon like this.
The Olympic testing is actually stringent enough that dopers do in fact have to cycle off. We’ll see who can still run great times at the Olympics. It’s why I think runners like Kipyegon or Ingebrigtsen are LESS likely to be doping than many others, because they still run FAST at the Olympics. No way Hull even comes close to 3:50 at the Olympics, and that will say all that you need to know about what this performance was today.
You think the testing at a Diamond League meet isn't stringent? Seriously? The testing is carried out by the same organisations as the Olympics. A difference in performance between this meet and the Olympics tells you very little about whether she's clean or not.
The Olympic testing is actually stringent enough that dopers do in fact have to cycle off. We’ll see who can still run great times at the Olympics. It’s why I think runners like Kipyegon or Ingebrigtsen are LESS likely to be doping than many others, because they still run FAST at the Olympics. No way Hull even comes close to 3:50 at the Olympics, and that will say all that you need to know about what this performance was today.
You think the testing at a Diamond League meet isn't stringent? Seriously? The testing is carried out by the same organisations as the Olympics. A difference in performance between this meet and the Olympics tells you very little about whether she's clean or not.
It’s definitely not as stringent. Major difference is that Olympic samples are kept for 10 years or more, so that if there is a new testing protocol or a new drug to be detected, they can go back to previous Olympic results and do so. The Diamond League, uh, does not do that. They test it once and discard it.
Careful microdosing and good advice and there's a small chance of getting caught unless you're glowing. Add that to tues you 'need' any new stuff on the market and you get what is happening now.
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that Jess is doping. She is as far removed from the sort of personality that would go down that path as it gets. Those of us who know people know that. The fact is, extraordinary people do extraordinary things. Not that any of the naysayers on here would know anything about that. What a ludicrous cess pit this forum is.
She's probably learned a lot from the last Kipyegon WR 13 months ago. She did a lot of running in no man's land (for lack of a better phrase). Crazy to think that entering that race, Hull's PB was 8 seconds slower (3:58.81). Seems like leaving UAC and moving back home 15 months ago and having a Peter/Seb Coe thing going on with her original coach "meticulous" Dad helped heaps.
Congratulations kanny.
First to apply deductive reasoning on post #119 of this thread -- and you figured it out.
Like Grant and Elise, Jessica knew the pro team environment that had carried her since college had taken her as far as it could. So, she struck out on her own.
Now with family, probably has cleaned up a lot of other aspects of her life such as proper diet, rest and recovery -- and for all we know, Daddy Hull may be the best mile coach in the world.
Agreed. Kipyegon also didn't get any of the drafting benefit that Hull did. I was surprised at how confident she did it tbh. She immediately tucked in and stuck there as long as she could, on a pace 5s faster than her PB. Wonder if Muir is regretting not doing that considering she was 3s faster than everyone else. Probably not coming 2nd, but may have gotten tugged to a 3:51-2 or something.
Kipyegon the perfect engine. She doesn't fire on all cylinders until the last lap or even less. Otherwise Hull would have had a hard time following her that long.
Not sure why everyone is freaking out about Jess Hull dropping 5 sec from her PB. Georgia Bell (who is 30 years old) dropped 4 seconds from her PB and no one is making any accusations. Enjoy the fact that this is an Olympic year and everyone is bringing it on!
Wow, this Georgia Bell is something else. She turns 31 in October, and before this year her best was 4:12. She ran 3:56 today. I want what she’s having.
Britain is today's russia. 4 women under 4 minutes in the same race. They too are blatantly doping.
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