Green got half of Reforms vote,Lib dem have always just been a protest vote party.
Highligh was seeing the Tranie Army demolished in Scotland.
All wee Jimmie Krankies fault.
Green were the protest vote from the Labour left this time (along with the independents in some Muslim areas).
I think a lot of those Lib Dem voters in the South West and South East are long gone, particularly if the Conservatives feel they have to pander to the Reform racists. While they're still on that crusade, no chance these Lib Dem seats will go blue for a while.
I doubt Farage lasts the term - I simply don't think being an MP helps his grift. Once he's done with this, Reform are finished. But no doubt they'll rebrand and come back, but it takes time, particularly without a charismatic cult leader.
I doubt Farage lasts the term - I simply don't think being an MP helps his grift. Once he's done with this, Reform are finished. But no doubt they'll rebrand and come back, but it takes time, particularly without a charismatic cult leader.
This is the real story of "Reform", as anyone who knows the story of the defunct UKIP after Farage realised it had run out of road peaking with the leadership of "Dick Braine" (no I am not joking).
Jacob Rees-Moog lost too. All the Hard Brexit Dbags lost.
Exactly. While it's true Conservatives lost a lot of their 2019 vote to Reform, pre-2019 Tory voters are actually pretty liberal, much of southern England and especially the commuter belt around London is full of Tory voters who are into environmental conservation and highly value the economic and travel arrangements that being part of the EU provided. Those seats are now heavily trending towards 'centrist' Liberal Democrats.
The decision for them now is whether they try and recoup the northern brexity seats that Boris Johnson managed to get, or whether they return to their traditional Tory southern heartlands.
Both options are really difficult as Reform and the Lib Dems are both significant options for their voters now.
I think whats also interesting is the spread of the vote this time around. Previously in the UK, people very much were influenced in voting by thoughts about whether their party would have a chance of getting into power or not. So that basically meant a lot of voters only chose Conservative or Labour. Now that both those parties are basically the same high tax and spend, make life difficult for the ordinary people and fail to crack down on corporate manipulation, with only PR type differences, theres more of a spread of the vote.
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Labour's "landslide" came with a mere 33.8% of the vote.
National Rally in France got 33.2% of the vote in the first round of the French elections.
Labour's "landslide" was a result of a split in the right. Tory + Reform = 38%. Even assuming 10% falloff in Tory "wets" (Thatcher's glorious term for squishes), had they combined, the right still outpolled Labour. Libs Dems and the various regional and minor parties are pretty locked in their % regardless of the big three.
In other words, libs here are only setting themselves up for existential crisis and mental health catastrophe if they think the UK experience portends Dem success in America in November.
Labour's "landslide" came with a mere 33.8% of the vote.
National Rally in France got 33.2% of the vote in the first round of the French elections.
Labour's "landslide" was a result of a split in the right. Tory + Reform = 38%. Even assuming 10% falloff in Tory "wets" (Thatcher's glorious term for squishes), had they combined, the right still outpolled Labour. Libs Dems and the various regional and minor parties are pretty locked in their % regardless of the big three.
In other words, libs here are only setting themselves up for existential crisis and mental health catastrophe if they think the UK experience portends Dem success in America in November.
38% for Tory + Reform is pretty bad though when you compare it to how many people voted for Labour/LD/Green/PC/SNP/Independent.
The system is set up so that a united right wing can win big majorities with a minority of the vote. It's hilarious to see them split and get crushed under their own rules.
38% for Tory + Reform is pretty bad though when you compare it to how many people voted for Labour/LD/Green/PC/SNP/Independent.
The system is set up so that a united right wing can win big majorities with a minority of the vote. It's hilarious to see them split and get crushed under their own rules.
This is completely spot on. Amazing how many people irrevocably opposed to proportional representation only do so because they realise it would keep the lunatic right wing out of power forever. Amazing how many people are right wing and don't realise that right wing parties are solely interested in keeping the wealth and power in the hands of the small percentage who are the establishment. The secret of right wing parties is to lie to the ordinary man using devices like hatred of foreigners and bogus culture wars. You only have to look back to 1930s Germany.
Green got half of Reforms vote,Lib dem have always just been a protest vote party.
Highligh was seeing the Tranie Army demolished in Scotland.
All wee Jimmie Krankies fault.
Green were the protest vote from the Labour left this time (along with the independents in some Muslim areas).
I think a lot of those Lib Dem voters in the South West and South East are long gone, particularly if the Conservatives feel they have to pander to the Reform racists. While they're still on that crusade, no chance these Lib Dem seats will go blue for a while.
I doubt Farage lasts the term - I simply don't think being an MP helps his grift. Once he's done with this, Reform are finished. But no doubt they'll rebrand and come back, but it takes time, particularly without a charismatic cult leader.
I wish we could dig you people up in about 100 years and show you what you did to Europe.
38% for Tory + Reform is pretty bad though when you compare it to how many people voted for Labour/LD/Green/PC/SNP/Independent.
The system is set up so that a united right wing can win big majorities with a minority of the vote. It's hilarious to see them split and get crushed under their own rules.
This is completely spot on. Amazing how many people irrevocably opposed to proportional representation only do so because they realise it would keep the lunatic right wing out of power forever. Amazing how many people are right wing and don't realise that right wing parties are solely interested in keeping the wealth and power in the hands of the small percentage who are the establishment. The secret of right wing parties is to lie to the ordinary man using devices like hatred of foreigners and bogus culture wars. You only have to look back to 1930s Germany.
The left wing has turned London in a city that isn't English. The majority of the population isn't English.
Labour has done more damage to the UK in 20 years than the Nigel Farage's of the world could do in a thousands years.
The UK didn't really reject the right wing. The Tories lost big, but Reform UK gained a lot (in percentage of votes. That didn't translate into seats). Labour's share of the vote remained about the same.
This looks more like a rejection of Sunak and the Conservative party specifically and not right wing thought in general.
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