We need to start to acknowlege that this isn't just an instance of yet ANOTHER Kenyan busted, but that the Kenyan drug problem is hurting all of our sport.
The next cycle of trying to get into the 2028 Olympics requires a 2:06:30 marathon? Why? In what reasonable world is that a time to have as your qualification? Because we live in a world where the top Kenyan and Ethiopian have deformed the times at the top so dramatically, that the qualification time is now faster than most country's (not all, but most) national records. That is the only reason to move the goal posts from 2:08 to 2:06.
Our sport is dying at the elite level in terms of interest (while the sport is thriving at the participation level, which is a whole different divide) because we have unreal times, poor media coverage most of the time, and an army of men and women who run so inhumanly fast that the whole "competition" part of the sport, some would say the best part of hte sport, has been left behind a phalanx of "pacers" and long time trials.
We know that East Africa has a PED problem, just like we know that Russia has a PED problem. And so do other nations, no question there, and there is no reason to derail the convo with "well, so does (UK, USA, Morocco, etc.) because we all know that is true as well. Here the problem is compounded by the fact that the marathon has become an event, against all odds and certainly beyond what anyone would have imagined in the '70's, the mass event and the most televised. And with the PED issues at the top of this sport, and the lack of great competition/only fast times as a focal point has truly created an entire sport problem. Currently, the two things cannot be separated.
It looks like World Athletics is reducing the qualifying time with a 50/50 goal of 50% of athletes qualifying, to allow the other 50% not qualifying on time, but on world rankings and points.
If other countries also have a PED problem, why aren't they also hitting 2:06:30 outside of East Africa?
Before 2018, only 3 Morrocans, 1 Brazilian, 1 American, and 1 Japanese, ran sub-2:06:30, compared to 70 Kenyans, and 39 Ethiopians. That's the top 115 runners.
If we look further down the list, to the top 203 runners (2:07:11) before 2018, we had 185 East Africans, 6 North Africans, 3 South Africans, and 9 non-Africans from the remaining 5-continents (3 from Japan, 2 from Brazil, and 1 each from USA, Portugal, France, and Spain).
Which means almost all of the rest are clean. You are a doping denier-
You can be counted on never to be able to follow an argument. That's why you agree with rekrunner .
You have written that most dopers in distance running are Kenyans. A consequence of this is that almost all of the rest are clean. Just a fact which you can't understand because of your mathematical blindness.
I've never seen a photo of Frank Shorter losing to a Kenyan.
Sport was much cleaner back then.
And, we have a winner, boys and girls.
Mexico City, 1968
Would you not agree that fifth place indicates a finish behind the top four competitors? If Frank Shorter, an American, finished in fifth place, wouldn't that mean he was surpassed by at least four other runners? And if Kip Keino, a Kenyan, won the race, wouldn't that logically mean that Shorter lost to a Kenyan in that particular competition?
It looks like World Athletics is reducing the qualifying time with a 50/50 goal of 50% of athletes qualifying, to allow the other 50% not qualifying on time, but on world rankings and points.
If other countries also have a PED problem, why aren't they also hitting 2:06:30 outside of East Africa?
Before 2018, only 3 Morrocans, 1 Brazilian, 1 American, and 1 Japanese, ran sub-2:06:30, compared to 70 Kenyans, and 39 Ethiopians. That's the top 115 runners.
If we look further down the list, to the top 203 runners (2:07:11) before 2018, we had 185 East Africans, 6 North Africans, 3 South Africans, and 9 non-Africans from the remaining 5-continents (3 from Japan, 2 from Brazil, and 1 each from USA, Portugal, France, and Spain).
That "American" isn't it Khanouchi simply?
I will be fair with you (far from any chauvinism) middle distances should be taken East Africans. But the current tendency (Norwegian training methods) is faking things.
Generally African and East African suffer from their bad conditions (say this to someone like CoEvett, STEVE the Addict .. and he will never understand it).
One of the reason I will never stand with or idolize any American or European in the field of sport.
You can be counted on never to be able to follow an argument. That's why you agree with rekrunner .
You have written that most dopers in distance running are Kenyans. A consequence of this is that almost all of the rest are clean. Just a fact which you can't understand because of your mathematical blindness.
No, that doesn't follow. Doping is in sports everywhere, doping is in distance running everywhere, but Kenya has more doped distance runners than any other country, as their ridiculous number of violations shows. But a doping denier understands none of this. You're only on this thread to p** in rekrunner's pocket, and he is the resident doping denier.
You have written that most dopers in distance running are Kenyans. A consequence of this is that almost all of the rest are clean. Just a fact which you can't understand because of your mathematical blindness.
No, that doesn't follow. Doping is in sports everywhere, doping is in distance running everywhere, but Kenya has more doped distance runners than any other country, as their ridiculous number of violations shows. But a doping denier understands none of this. You're only on this thread to p** in rekrunner's pocket, and he is the resident doping denier.
You don't even understand/know anymore what you have written.
Again, for you, what you have written: in distance running, most dopers are Kenyan. I know, you can't even see the difference between this and what you have written here.
And, yes, from your original claim, it without any doubt follows that almost all of the rest are clean.
I will be fair with you (far from any chauvinism) middle distances should be taken East Africans. But the current tendency (Norwegian training methods) is faking things.
Generally African and East African suffer from their bad conditions (say this to someone like CoEvett, STEVE the Addict .. and he will never understand it).
One of the reason I will never stand with or idolize any American or European in the field of sport.
The American is Ryan Hall. Khannouchi ran faster when he was Morrocan and again as an American.
No, that doesn't follow. Doping is in sports everywhere, doping is in distance running everywhere, but Kenya has more doped distance runners than any other country, as their ridiculous number of violations shows. But a doping denier understands none of this. You're only on this thread to p** in rekrunner's pocket, and he is the resident doping denier.
You don't even understand/know anymore what you have written.
Again, for you, what you have written: in distance running, most dopers are Kenyan. I know, you can't even see the difference between this and what you have written here.
And, yes, from your original claim, it without any doubt follows that almost all of the rest are clean.
"Most Kenyans dope"
"Most dopers are Kenyan"
"Kenya is the country with the most dopers"
"Kenya is the worst in doping"
For him, all is the same. Any discussion to try to find the real value of Kenyan doping, the real value compared to other nations, the real value relative to the no of athletes and so on with him is absolutely useless.
If there are 1000 Kenyan runners and 19000 from the rest of the world. If most dopers are from Kenya, the absolute maximum for dopers from the rest would be 999, but more like 500 (probably less), something like 2.5%.
Any discussion with him, really ANY, is of absolutely no help. His conclusion is long done, facts are irrelevant.
No, that doesn't follow. Doping is in sports everywhere, doping is in distance running everywhere, but Kenya has more doped distance runners than any other country, as their ridiculous number of violations shows. But a doping denier understands none of this. You're only on this thread to p** in rekrunner's pocket, and he is the resident doping denier.
You don't even understand/know anymore what you have written.
Again, for you, what you have written: in distance running, most dopers are Kenyan. I know, you can't even see the difference between this and what you have written here.
And, yes, from your original claim, it without any doubt follows that almost all of the rest are clean.
You chose your user name well - but it is a question you should have directed at yourself.
That most of the dopers in distance running today are coming out of Kenya doesn't mean the rest are clean, but that relative to Kenya there are fewer of them.
You simply waste time in this discussion because you know nothing about doping and you're only here to parrot rekrunner's doping denial views. You're clearly another ****licker of the Kenyan dopers.
You don't even understand/know anymore what you have written.
Again, for you, what you have written: in distance running, most dopers are Kenyan. I know, you can't even see the difference between this and what you have written here.
And, yes, from your original claim, it without any doubt follows that almost all of the rest are clean.
"Most Kenyans dope"
"Most dopers are Kenyan"
"Kenya is the country with the most dopers"
"Kenya is the worst in doping"
For him, all is the same. Any discussion to try to find the real value of Kenyan doping, the real value compared to other nations, the real value relative to the no of athletes and so on with him is absolutely useless.
If there are 1000 Kenyan runners and 19000 from the rest of the world. If most dopers are from Kenya, the absolute maximum for dopers from the rest would be 999, but more like 500 (probably less), something like 2.5%.
Any discussion with him, really ANY, is of absolutely no help. His conclusion is long done, facts are irrelevant.
Your posts continue to simply waste space in the thread. So you're another denier of Kenyan doping. You have nothing more to add than that.
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