Transwomen Sprinter - AKA A Biological Male - Competing at NCAA D3 Indoor Track Nationals In Women's Division

It’d be funny to see the woke intersectionality hierarchy reversed - wokes rooting for a white male to beat black women

As always, the transphobic argument inevitably comes to: “Well if she can change her gender, I guess I can be a truck!”

it’s not worth arguing with people who have the emotional and intellectual maturity of a 5-year-old.

There are places for this, and the world has accepted trans folks as whatever they want to present themselves as, BUT we cannot continue to debate that BIOLOGY is incredibly important in what it means to be a level and fair playing field.

How many times do championships, records, qualifying spots, etc. have to be stolen from women who have worked their entire lives to reach whatever the pinnacle of their sport is to them only to have all of that eliminated by someone who has had the benefit of 15-20x more testosterone in their body? The work place and every day life are completely different places than a sport. Sports are voluntary, your transition is voluntary, the world has made a place for you and we all are going to accept you for who you are but there needs to be a line or different category made because it is FACT that it is not fair to have a boy/man competing against a girl/boy. Let alone the debate of an intact male being in the same dressing rooms, restrooms, etc. Like this is absurd to even be debating this, but here we are.

The next step is going to be us all having to accept some 30 year old man identifying as a 15 year old girl to steal a state championship and then further yet we'll have to accept minor-attracted persons and the pedophile label will be erased. This simulation is a weird one.

Actually, if you bothered to look up policy or read any portion of this thread, the next step is that unless you began transitioning before undergoing male puberty, you will not be able to compete in NCAA for track and field. This ruling goes into effect next year, so the trajectory of transwomen's inclusion in sports is now being limited and not expanded. And no, nobody will force anyone to accept a 30 year old man identifying as a 15 year old girl in order to gain acceptance minor-attracted persons. Stop with the hyperbolic nonsense.

Also, please explain to me how you plan to monitor women's restrooms and dressing rooms. Do you plan to hire police officers to stand in front of the entrance of every women's restroom or changing room and have them demand to see everyone's birth certificate before entering? This of course would allow trans and intersex women who have their sex listed as female on their birth certificates to enter, so that would not satisfy you. How about the bathroom monitor simply flags women over a certain height, or with broader than average shoulders and demands that they provide proof of their sex? Well, this would enable a transwoman like Jazz Jennings to enter the women's room with ease while tall females, or women with a more masculine appearance to be forced to be repeatedly degraded while trying to use public restrooms or changing facilities.

Youre fighting a losing battle telling these 40-70 year old men things like this

The exact scenario you've envisioned hasn't happened, but others that come close enough already have.

Laurel Gavin Hubbard, son of one of New Zealand's most prominent businessmen and billionaires, was a NZ national junior [men's] weightlifting champion as a teenage boy and young man, but flamed out due to injuries. In his late-30s, Hubbard started "identifying as" a woman and by the time he was in his early 40s he had begun competing - and winning big time - in women's weightlifting in national and international events, easily beating female competitors half his age.

At age 43, Hubbard represented his part of the world in women's weightlifting at the 2021 Tokyo Olympics. To get that spot, Hubbard beat and displaced two young Maori women aged 19 and 20 from extremely deprived backgrounds, dashing their longstanding dreams of making it to the Olympics.

Nearly a decade before that in the USA, a middle-aged male named Gabrielle Ludwig enrolled at Mission College in California - and at age 50, the 6-feet-8, 230-pound US military combat veteran, father of three and ex-husband of two different women was allowed to join the school's women's basketball team due to claiming a trans identity.

When Ludwig was introduced to the rest of the Mission College women's basketball team for the first time in 2012, USA today championed the event as "a debut unlike any other in the sport's history."

Describing the team's pre-game meeting and pep talk in the women's locker room as it unfolded, USA Today reported that

the eyes of [the] ten 18- to 20-year-old women [on the team] – including one deaf player and another woman a few inches shy of 5-feet – focus on the one Mission College player who has yet to play this season. There near the door sits the oldest (50 years old), tallest (6-feet-6,* 230 pounds) and most muscular person in the room: Gabrielle Ludwig.

They don't know she is 50 and last played a college basketball game in 1980 – as a man.

*Elswehere in the story, USA Today says Ludwig is 6-8. More from the breathless newspaper report:

The woman teammates call Gabbi, Giant or Big Sexy was born Robert John Ludwig in Germany three decades before any of them were a glimmer in their parents' eyes.

Childhood [for Ludwig] was laden with positive experiences, Ludwig says, except for the feeling that something was terribly off-kilter inside...

At every opportunity [he] would try on [his] mother's dresses and experiment with makeup only to rush to slip off the clothing and wash away the lipstick before [his] parents could catch her.

Once puberty hit, the image in the mirror changed, and suddenly there were pectorals and size and advantages. Maybe Ludwig could just stuff this identity crisis back in the closet with his mother's dresses and find refuge and a catharsis in something at which [he] thrived: basketball.

Ludwig grew to 6-8 by [his] sophomore year of high school. And by the time Ludwig entered Nassau Community College in the fall of 1980, [he] was a high-flying teenager who could throw down all sorts of dunks.

Ludwig also discovered another allure – women – and knew [he] had a strong attraction to them. But Ludwig says [he] was immature and didn't want to be in college. [He] left the team after one semester.

By 1984, [Ludwig] would begin an eight-year stint in the Navy, during which [he] traveled the world as an aviation anti-submarine warfare technician and served in Desert Storm.

usatoday.com

Transgender woman Gabrielle Ludwig returns to college court

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Gabrielle Ludwig is a name few outside this locker room know. They don't know she is 50 and last played a college basketball game in 1980 – as a man.

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You cannot change from a male into a female.

Can't be done

Maybe it's shock and disgust at flagrant woman-hating and female erasure calling itself love and acceptance?

I don’t believe this is over. I don’t believe for a second that the trans activists are going to allow the NCAA to keep them out. Weak willed, liberals will go along with it. The horse is out of the barn.

As an aside, transitioning before the onset of puberty does not mean, the man stops being a man.

I'll tell you what I have done. I've coached the women who get cheated by these circumstances. You may think this is unfair to the transgender person if they can't compete, but it is even more unfair to the ladies who have worked so hard to be the best women athletes they can be. This is easy when you use common sense. To think of the transgender athlete first is just virtue signaling - no more, no less.

Poor analogy. Height and weight are only relevant in sports with height classes (are there any?) and weight classes (wrestling, boxing, MMA). This is a running site.

I think it's kind of stupid, but so are a lot of things. And this one doesn't really matter. As far as I know this person is just trying to live their life. Let the people involved work it out. Random internet opinions need not apply.

Should we restructure agriculture subsidies? Or oil and gas subsidies? Or campaign finance? Lobbying? Insider trading? Gerrymandering?

Because I think those are all a lot more consequential. And weak willed conservatives won't do any of it.

-a strong willed lefty

It's wild that people still don't understand that sex and gender are not the same thing.

Men competing against women was hyperbolic 15 years ago, heck, even 8-10 years ago… and now it’s (according to the desires of many on the left) “normal.” So yeah, you should stop with your hyperbolic nonsense, b/c the game you people play is getting old. We point out a societally harmful abnormality, you guys say “that’s not even happening,” it starts happening (and then more and more often!), then you guys say “why do you even care?”

Miss me with your bat$hit craziness, thanks.

More and more often?

In 2019, Cece Telfer won the 400mH at D2 outdoor championships.

In 2024, Sadie Schreiner finished 9th in the prelim at D3 championships.

As far as we know, those are the only two trans track & field athletes who competed at NCAA. June Eastwood competed in D1, but didn't get out of the regionals. There was a heptathlete in D3 who did not make the NCAA some years ago.

After the outdoor season this year, Schreiner will be ineligible to compete. So who will be competing next season? There are 34 trans women in all sports at all divisions of NCAA. That's compared to 200,000 cis women. And that number is expected to sharply decline after this season because of the rule change.

The NCAA rule change, adopted from World Athletics, next year will rightly disqualify transgenders from completing in women’s college track. No one is stopping them from identifying as women and competing in the men’s section. The trans swimmer who won a NCAA title brought the situation to a head and rules were quickly adopted to prevent it from happening again.

Usually how this goes is your team spends a decade saying no one will ever identify as a truck and then when people start identifying as trucks you'll claim its always been valid.