Okay. I merely asked a question. Your answer infers that you have no problem at the high school level. Why are you okay with high school records being set by kids not competing for their team?
Oh give me a break. You can't break a college record if you don't run for a college.
Collegiate (NCAA and NAIA) records are different than the USTFCCCA Collegiate All-Dates List.
Explain this timeline please: Mid-May - Texas A&M spring semester ends; Athing Mu is no longer enrolled Late-June - Mu signs pro contract with Nike June 27 - Mu runs #3 time on all-dates list at Olympic Trials while wearing a Nike singlet August 3 - Mu runs #2 time on all-dates list at Olympic Games August 21 - Mu runs #1 time on all-dates list at Pre Classic while wearing a Nike singlet
You can argue all you want about whether you think times should or should not qualify but following the pattern of Mu and Lisa Koll, Wiley's times will count through around the end of August.
She is a professional athlete now. She should be focused on making the Olympic team and the Olympic final. Who cares about all-dates collegiate lists when you are a real contender at the pro level?
We care. That is why we are havig the discussion but you already knew that. Wiley does not care. The discussion is academic. Examples have been provided where times have counted for several lists.
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If Wiley goes on to make Olympic teams, break American records, win national titles, etc., I can see other runners approaching Johnson about being their coach. Lauren was not involved in the Nick Johnson mess at all; it was all his doing. She was as in the dark as anyone and is as innocent as anyone. Once the false drug accusations are cleared by the courts, Huntington/Lauren Johnson will have a 100% clean slate. Johnson may end up creating a team in Indiana that begins with Wiley the way Bosshard did in Colorado around Coburn.
I hate bringing up the legal stuff, but just real quickly: Before the Huntington story broke, Nick Johnson had already pled guilty to kidnapping a high school girl by pretending to be an Oregon official, flying her out, and staying in a hotel room with her for the weekend (I think he got out of the kidnapping charges with the plea deal, and just got a slap on the wrist for fraud). Even if everything alleged in the BIG story/lawsuit was fake, Nick Johnson should have been fired WAY before that.
Even if Lauren honestly didn't know about what Nick was doing in regards to the big lawsuit, she definitely knew how he'd posed as someone in a position of power to have sex with a high school girl, and she raised no qualms with the school about that fact, nor that he broke the law to do it. Due to that, she will never have a clean slate in my book.
Still, I continue to like Wiley. I think she's only a year younger than me, and I'm an idiot, so I cut her some slack. I don't envy her position, being so closely tied to such shady people, but it seems like public opinion is turning in her favor, which I'm happy about. I also respect her a lot for sticking to her principles when things got tough.
Still, I continue to like Wiley. I think she's only a year younger than me, and I'm an idiot, so I cut her some slack. I don't envy her position, being so closely tied to such shady people, but it seems like public opinion is turning in her favor, which I'm happy about. I also respect her a lot for sticking to her principles when things got tough.
Didn't she publicly bad-mouth Nick's accusers? I dunno, I guess it's nice to stick to principles, but what if those principles are bad. She's partially a victim of the terrible adults around her, but at a certain point she's and adult and has to make the right decisions. Sticking with Lauren is a questionable one.
Pat Casey, Aisha Praught and a few others have publicly spoken out against the Johnsons when they were with OTC, more specifically about Lauren’s alleged PED use. Where there's smoke, there is fire and there's multiple legal documents to back it up. The fact that Addy continues to align herself with this is a surefire way of failure down the road.
Also, the collective silence from the community of other pros she has raced is deafening. She will never be accepted on the racing circuit for as long as she continues to support Lauren. Also supporting a sexual predator is not admirable or the “good for her, sticking up for friends” narrative does not apply here. She's shown that she's willing to throw everyone else under the bus including the victims in order to protect her interests. Good luck, because when her times slow up or injuries start to set in, she’ll be alone at the top with her “precious” coach.
The only reason it appears public opinion is turning in her favor is that posts that are not in her favor get quickly removed.
Just observing: it's interesting that the LetsRun owners/admins are sometimes accused of targeting Wiley, and sometimes of protecting her. If they're getting hit from all sides, that probably means they're doing OK at being balanced.
Personally, I really like Wiley -- she genuinely seems like a great person. The only thing I can definitively say she's done wrong was publicly throw NJ's accusers under the bus. That was indeed a serious thing. But even there, I think she genuinely believed they were making false accusations. Her mistake was not understanding that power differential is a thing, which is why coach-athlete relations can't be consensual. But frankly, MOST people didn't really understand that concept until quite recently.
Plus we dont want a likely dope cheat making a mockery of college distance running. The doping tree with Wiley runs all the way back to OTC and NOP, but eventually the slip up will occur.
This site protects American dopers. The idea that they actually thought Houlihan was clean still blows the mind. Hope it was just for show. Realistically every top international distance runner is doping, so if you have a site promoting the sport there is very little incentive to air the dirty laundry.