Trans swimmer breaks New Jersey college record after switching from men's team to women's

Request denied, so stop begging. I don’t care what you think.

Since you brought up statistics, I look forward to seeing the stats you can provide showing that males who adopt an opposite-sex gender identity (or other novel gender identity such as non-binary) do not have patterns of criminality, violence and sex offending in line with their actual sex.

Whilst we wait, I'll share some of the statistics I'm familiar with.

In 2018 the UK Ministry of Justice (MOJ) responded to Freedom of Information requests from women's rights campaigners by disclosing that 60 of the 125 transgender inmates in prison in England and Wales in 2017 had committed one or more sexual offences against women or children.

This means that nearly 50% of transgender prisoners behind bars that year in E&W had histories of sexual violence as compared to only 1.8% of the general female prison population and 18% of the general male prison population.

In December 2020, the Women and Equalities Committee of the UK Parliament heard testimony on sex, gender identity and patterns of sex offending from UK professors Rosa Freedman, Kathleen Stock and Alice Sullivan at the request of Nicola Richards MP during the 9th December Oral Evidence Session.

The written statement the professors submitted says:

The question of whether transwomen match male or female patterns of criminality is specifically addressed by the 2020 FOI referenced by Fair Play For Women (who have submitted evidence to the Committee).

This is first time there has been official data to compare the rate of sex offending in 3 different groups: Men vs women vs transwomen.

MOJ stats [for March/April 2019] show 76 of the 129 male-born prisoners identifying as transgender (not counting any with GRCs)* have at least one conviction of sexual offence.

This includes 36 convictions for rape and 10 for attempted rape. These are clearly male type crimes (in England & Wales, rape is defined by law as penetration with a penis).

Here is the number compared with official MOJ statistics for sex offending rates in men and women over the same period]:

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

So, taking this data at face value, are you implying that transgenders are more likely to commit sex crimes than the average man?

*Note to my post above about UK Ministry of Justice stats explaining the term "GRCs" - which stands for Gender Recognition Certificates.

GRCs are UK documents that enable transgender-identified persons to legally change their sex, including on their birth certificates.

Any trans-identified males with GRCs in UK prisons would be recorded and counted as females by the MOJ. They would not be included in the tally of transgender prisoners because once a person has received a GRC, there are strict prohibitions preventing UK government bodies and other orgs and persons from recording, disclosing or publishing that a person with a GRC is trans. In fact, it many situations, even asking if a person has a GRC is prohibited.

A telling feature of GRCs is that they are sex-imbalanced in a way that favors males who identify as women and disadvantages females who identify as men.

Although a GRC changes a person's sex for most purposes, an exception was written into the law to insure that inherited titles and wealth handed down through the generations under the longstanding practice of primogeniture still remain for males only.

A male from an aristocratic family who is in line to inherit a title and estate due to being his father's first-born son does not and cannot forfeit his primogeniture inheritance rights when he legally changes his sex to female by getting a GRC. Conversely, a female whose father has no sons cannot inherit his title and estate by changing her legal sex to male by obtaining a GRC. If a man from a titled wealthy family has no sons, his title and estate must go to another male in his family - usually his younger brother or a nephew - rather than to his daughters or any other female relative.

A similar exception was made regarding relgious clergy and position. Males in the UK who become legally female by obtaining a GRC cannot lose their rights to hold positions in the clergy that are reserved solely for men. Females who who get a GRC changing their legal sex to male still can be barred from joining or holding clerical positions reserved for men.

I'm still waiting for you to share the statistics you have which show that males who identify as the opposite sex (or as non-binary or another gender identity) have patterns of criminality that make them less of a danger to women and children - and to other males - than bog standard members of the male sex.

Whilst waiting, I'll share some other stats I'm familiar with published by Jo Phoenix, UK professor of criminology in January 2022:

Sex is the single strongest predictor of criminality and criminalisation. Since criminal statistics were first collected (in the mid 1850’s), males make up around 80% of those arrested, prosecuted and convicted of crime. Violent crime is mostly committed by males….

There are many different explanations for these differences, but none question that basic truism that crime tends to be a male problem. This remains the case regardless of stated gender identity.

There are relatively few incarcerated women in England and Wales in comparison to incarcerated men. In 2021, there were 3196 people in the female prison estate in England and Wales compared with 75,128 in the male [prison] estate.

And whilst there are no offence categories that are "exclusively" male or female, rape and other sex offences are profoundly sexed. 99% of sex offenders [in the UK] are male. Biology truly matters where sex offending is concerned, especially given that 88% of victims are female.

As a result of Freedom of Information requests… the MoJ [Ministry of Justice] disclosed that 60 of the 125 transgender inmates in 2017 had committed one or more sexual offences against women or children. This means that nearly half of transgender prisoners had histories of sexual violence as compared to only 1.8% of the general female prison population and 18% of the general male prison population.

What the statistics of 2017 demonstrated is confirmed by the statistics for 2021.

A freedom of information request to the Ministry of Justice shows that in 2021, the number of transgender prisoners in England and Wales had increased from 125 to 197. Of these, 97 were sentenced for 177 sexual offences including 48 convictions for the biologically specific offences of rape and attempted rape.

This provides us with stable, relatively clear evidence that there indeed is a much higher prevalence of sexually violent prisoners in the transgender prison population, in comparison to the male prison population and the female prison population.

Somewhere around 50% of the transgender prison population [in England and Wales] are convicted sex offenders and that pattern has held in 2017, 2018, 2020 and now 2021.

I asked you a simple clarification question in #124.

Exactly

This dude needs to get his ass kicked

Why don't ask the same for every unregistered poster, including the ones who are regurgitating the same anti-trans propaganda you agree with?

If that doesn't work, maybe you can ask brojos to make any trans-related thread registered-user only.

You are setting up a non-existing strawman once again right after I wrote "some trans people behave badly, and even commit crimes." You even quoted the post in which I wrote the above.

Looks like you are more interested in debating with your own strawman than debating with an actual poster who disagrees with you.

I'm not at your beck and call, buddy.

I'm still waiting for you to share some of the statistics you have on hand showing why it's so hateful and nonsensical of me to worry about the safety of girls and women when males claiming to have trans gender identities are given access to - or simply barge in on - facilities that were meant to be female single-sex spaces like women's locker rooms, loos, barracks, spas, saunas, showers, shelters, prisons, nursing home wings, hospital wards, refuges, rape crisis centers...

Whilst I continue to wait, I'll share that the statistics released so far by corrections officials in the USA are in line with the figures provided by the Ministry of Justice in the UK.

Data released by the US Bureau of Prisons in December 2021 revealed that nearly 50% of trans-identified male inmates incarcerated in federal prison system are in custody for sex offensees, compared to just 11% of the general male population.

The US BOP provided the information about US federal inmates in response to a Freedom of Information request filed by the Director of the USA branch of Keep Prisons Single Sex (KPSS).

The BOP gave information for thee categories of prisoners in federal custody under authority of the BOP: general population; "male-to-female transgender" and "female-to-male transgender."

According to the document sent to KPSS USA, 48.47% of biological male inmates identifying as women in federal custody in the fall of 2021 were convicted of federal sex offenses.

By contrast, just 4.71% of biological females identifying as men in BOP custody in late 2021 were serving time for federal sex crimes - and 11.2% of the non-transgender population of federal BOP inmates in general.

Since these figures were provided, there's been a significant uptick in the percentage of prisoners in BOP custody for sex offenses. As of November 11, 2023, 12.3% of the total BOP inmate population were federal sex offenders.

This is probably related to the surge in internet pornography, and the increasingly depraved nature of much online pornography. These and other factors have led to a rise in federal sex crimes involving the making, possession and distribution of images and videos showing children being sexually abused, aka "child pornography" - and to growing numbers of cases in which male sex predators operating individually and in groups are using social media, the internet and electronics communications devices from computers to cell phones to find, "groom" and prey on victims, especially underage and naive ones who are "easy pickings."

Today, there are 158,000+ inmates in the custody of the federal BOP. 147,259 or 93.2% are classifed as male; 10,740 6.8% are classified as female.

However, some of the BOP prisoners classified as female inmates are known to be actually males who identify as transwomen.

So there are 174 times more cis men than trans women among sex offenders, and 611 times more cis men than trans women among all inmates?

What percentage of the general population is trans women?

In other words, you don't have any data on how likely a person with GRC commits sex offense compared to the general population?

One recently-incarcerated male inmate in US federal prison who identifies as a woman and is registered as female by the BOP is Jakob/Dakota Nieves of Massachusetts.

Nieves is worth mentioning here because his case gives a glimpse about what federal sex crimes are - and the heinous nature of the kinds of sex crimes that males who identify as trans today tend to be put in prison for.

In June of 2021, Nieves, then age 21, was sentenced to 30 years in federal prison plus five years supervised release after pleading guilty to sexually abusing two girls under age 4, distributing images and videos showing children being sexually abused aka "child pornography," and possession of thousands of individual pieces of so-called child pornography.

The "child porn" videos and images Nieves was in possession of and distributed showed one of the two girl toddlers Nieves personally physically molested being sexually abused by him, along with "at least 175 other children" described as "personally unknown to Nieves" and with whom he apparently had no physical contact.

Prior to sentencing and incarceration, Nieves was a vocal trans activist who publicly campaigned for local and state laws enabling males to gain access to women's locker rooms, restrooms and other female-only spaces based on them declaring a gender identity different to their sex.

In the US Department of Justice press releases on Nieves' arrest, charges and sentencing as well as in all the media reports, this henious male child sex abuser was uniformly referred to as a "woman" and by "she/her" pronouns.

justice.gov

Lawrence Resident Sentenced to 30 Years in Prison for Child Exploitation Offenses

BOSTON – A Lawrence resident was sentenced today for sexually exploiting two children under four years of age.

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I brought up Nieves' case in part because it provides a counterpoint to one of the common lies constantly told by "trans rights" propagandists nowadays.

According to the party line, most males in the USA who identify as trans and have been to prison in the US are sweet, delicate, slight, physically weak, vulnerable, largely defenseless, "effeminate" homosexuals who end up behind bars for being prostitutes aka "sex workers" themselves, particularly the kind known as "street wakers." The standard story is that these males - who are disproportionately of minority race and ethnicity and from homophobic, usually conservative religious families - land in the pokey after being unfairly targeted, rounded up, persecuted and picked on by homophobic, transphobic police and prosecutors who have it in for "trxxxys" and "femme boys."

Whilst that might have been the case for homosexual/SSA trans-identified males several decades ago, it's certainly not the case in most of the USA today - and in most of the country, it really hasn't been the case in the current century.

The trans-identified males who are going to prison for sex crimes in the USA nowadays are being picked and prosecuted for major sex crimes of an extremely violent, depraved nature against real-live victims who are much more vulnerable than the trans-identified males who abuse them. In the vast majority of cases, the victims of trans-identified male sex criminals are women or children.

Still waiting for you to cough up some of the stats you surely have in abundance proving why I am a hateful bigot for being unwilling to recite the preposterous pledge you set up as litmus test to "verify if you are a hater" in post #82. The one where you said people could easily prove we're not haters if only we'd

Please say the following verbatim if you can bring yourself to say it:

”I recognize the legitimacy of the gender-physiology conflict with which transwomen struggle, and am committed to respecting their pronouns, treating them with the normal dignities extended to any woman, and according them all of the societal privileges typically offered to women with the sole exception of participation in the female category in sports”.

BTW, my first thought when I saw the oath you penned was, "Yikes. Shades of the shahada!"

In case you're not familiar with the shahada, it's the Islamic Profession of the Faith." It's also the first Pillar of Islam. It's much shorter and to the point than the oath allegiance to the faith-based dogma that you're pushing:

"There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the servant and messenger and of Allah."

That's the Sunni version. The Shia version is the same, with this coda tacked on the end: "And Ali is the wali." (Wali in this contextmeans master, leader and rightful heir to Muhammad; Ali is Ali ibn Abi Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib, the first of the dozen holy men known as the Twelve Imams whose descendents the Shia regard as Muhammad's appointed successors. )

To lighten up this thread a bit, this is one of professions of faith I had to recite as a child:

Even the penultimate finger-wagging Catholic school marm, Sister Mary Ignatius, probably wouldn't be so ridiculously bossy and bold as to go around telling total strangers she doesn't know from Eve that they better say the Nicene Creed verbatim - and on the double too - or else be branded "haters."

Me neither. Come back when you have stats relevant to the discussion. After you understand statistics in the first place.

I don’t need or care to show any stats. The default assumption is all humans and all large groups of people are mostly good.