whats up with all the lookism denialism in this thread?
women have their own money, they only need men to have pleasure, of course they'll go after the hottest ones and if they can't have them only for themselves they'll share them with other women.
why is this so taboo for some you?
>I know ugly dudes who got married
yeah like 40 years ago when you guys were on your 30s.
Things changed.
if you think women care about values, personality, your clothes, your career, how you treat others and so on you're so disconnected from reality it's actually kinda sad.
they care about your jawline, your eye area, your nose, your lips, cheekbones and d*ck size.
welcome to the new normal.
This is profoundly untrue, and only the biggest losers think it as it's an absolute cope against admitting all of your obvious-from-a-mile-away character and personality flaws. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and then they complain about it on a running message board.
my personality is great I'm just ugly
source: women I talked to without showing my face (I received dozen of nudes)
Of course, the moment I showed my face it was all over
It's pretty common to hear women talk about men's looks and penis size, even in working environment. (they always make fun of small guys).
Assuming the above statement was true, don’t you think you are selecting for a special subset of women who are willing to give nudes to someone they have never seen?Assuming the above statement was true, don’t you think you are selecting for a special subset of women that are willing to send a nude someone they’ve never seen? Maybe that group of women is more looks focused than others? People who engage in non-transactional relationships tend to rely a lot on nonverbal communication.
Also, I have worked in areas with a high proportion of women, and I have not heard any of that talk in the workplace. That includes an employer that lost a lawsuit, because it discriminated against men (totally legit but a long time ago).
"Making the conversation sexual" too soon is the no 1 reason that women reject and block men by far. So go ahead if you want multiple rejections from the majority of l women, who will think you are a low class sex crazed redneck who wants to get laid on a ONS with crazy, desperate women.
Don't "make the conversation sexual" with women you hardly know. Does the conversation have to be sexual at all? At the appropriate point, you kind of move beyond conversation. What you really need to do is to make a woman feel comfortable. You don't do that by talking about sex graphically.
However, if you are talking about men seducing other men, then this is correct advice.
Making the girl comfortable is key, yes, but the girl isn't going to know that you have a penis if you don't in some way show that you're sexually interested at some point. That doesn't have to mean just blatantly talking about sex either, although talking about prior sexual experiences is one way to break the ice. You could suggest the idea of going somewhere alone, or doing an activity that could lead to sex (i.e. hey let's get out of here, we should talk more where we can have more privacy) or involves physical contact (i.e. dancing). All of this would be done after the "groundwork" of comfort is built in order to bridge the gap from platonic conversation to romantic. Nowhere in my post did I say to just randomly start talking about sex with women.
You really are hopeless with women, aren't you? Other than the type of women you probably don't appreciate or want, that all you men seem to complain about.
You do not "break the ice" with a woman by telling her about your past sexual experiences. Build some sort of relationship first by dating her a few times, then let things develop naturally. Why are you in such a rush? Because you only want casual, sex based transactional relationships and to treat women like pieces of meat, not actual people with personalities you can get to know.
Everyone I know, at least every woman I know, would repulsed by a man they barely know trying to talk to them about their past sexual experiences. Its difficult to think of anything more off putting.
Don't sex talk with strangers or near stranger, don't sext, don't send nude "pics", if you want to attract a decent, kind woman who is relationships or marriage material. Its really very simple.
whats up with all the lookism denialism in this thread?
women have their own money, they only need men to have pleasure, of course they'll go after the hottest ones and if they can't have them only for themselves they'll share them with other women.
why is this so taboo for some you?
>I know ugly dudes who got married
yeah like 40 years ago when you guys were on your 30s.
Things changed.
if you think women care about values, personality, your clothes, your career, how you treat others and so on you're so disconnected from reality it's actually kinda sad.
they care about your jawline, your eye area, your nose, your lips, cheekbones and d*ck size.
welcome to the new normal.
If you spend a lot of time talking to and observing women, you'll realize that physical features are really not very high on the list of things they care about their partner having. The particular types of features that women find attractive are also extremely subjective and variable - i.e. some girls like short guys, some like tall, some girls like skinny some like husky or muscular, some girls like dark men some like lighter-skinned men. These features are almost never going to be the deciding factor on whether or not a woman sleeps with a guy, though. I know girls who have found men to be extremely attractive from their pictures, but will lose all that arousal by the same guy after listening to him speak. I can't say the same for most guys.
whats up with all the lookism denialism in this thread?
women have their own money, they only need men to have pleasure, of course they'll go after the hottest ones and if they can't have them only for themselves they'll share them with other women.
why is this so taboo for some you?
>I know ugly dudes who got married
yeah like 40 years ago when you guys were on your 30s.
Things changed.
if you think women care about values, personality, your clothes, your career, how you treat others and so on you're so disconnected from reality it's actually kinda sad.
they care about your jawline, your eye area, your nose, your lips, cheekbones and d*ck size.
welcome to the new normal.
If you spend a lot of time talking to and observing women, you'll realize that physical features are really not very high on the list of things they care about their partner having. The particular types of features that women find attractive are also extremely subjective and variable - i.e. some girls like short guys, some like tall, some girls like skinny some like husky or muscular, some girls like dark men some like lighter-skinned men. These features are almost never going to be the deciding factor on whether or not a woman sleeps with a guy, though. I know girls who have found men to be extremely attractive from their pictures, but will lose all that arousal by the same guy after listening to him speak. I can't say the same for most guys.
I happen to work with U.S. marshals. Most are very attractive, fit, and mostly nice. But man, when they start talking ... it's painful. A lot of my co-workers feel the same way. I'm sure they have no problems getting dates or partners, but for the people I consider friends, we need someone to have a decent conversation with.
I don't blame women, there's no such thing as "wrong women".
People have standards, I'm just below them.
Most men are.
The market has spoken.
By "wrong women" I mean "women who cannot or will not give you the relationship you want". If every woman you encounter is unable or unwilling, you should consider the possibility that something about your sampling method is skewing your results. Your attitude guarantees that the only women who will ever want to invest in you are the ones who feel the same way you do - i.e. that the world is stacked against you and that partnership has nothing to do with values, personality, etc. By continuing to interact with people like this, the two of you will only reinforce your beliefs and dive further into the brain rot hole. Use garbage bait and you'll catch garbage fish
I understand that this statement is at odds with your worldview, but if you try behaving in a new way, you might see new results. Just try it, even if it feels fake and naive and unnatural at first
The guy who mentions talking about previous sexual encounters - wtf!? This isn't a good idea.
Looks are important - I don't think this is taboo for anyone - but they aren't the be all and end all and they aren't even the most important thing. For me I can see someone that I consider ultra hot but I won't want to sleep with them if, for example, they're rude or dismissive to waiting staff. It's a complete turn off. I feel no connection and that just kills it.
I care very much about values, personality and how someone treats others. I think you may the one a little bit disconnected from reality if you really think that people don't care about that? A lot of people do and you are surrounding yourself with the wrong type of people if you're around loads of people who don't care about those things. Those people are shallow and if you don't care about how someone treats others that's nuts.
The 'women you talked to without showing your face' may well be bots apart from anything else. Receiving nudes... is that the key to a long term relationship? If you're talking about a hook up, one night stand, sex - then YES, it probably is about looks. I don't think many people are denying that. But that doesn't appear to be what people are talking about here. People are talking about what they want long term.
People appeared to be talking about long term dating, relationships - which is what is important. For that, you need a connection - and it's way more than looks.
I want someone that I can spend time with, be comfortable around, have conversations with, go out and do stuff together, have fun, travel maybe, enjoy spending time, do various activities, and yes someone who is kind and treats people well. I've dated people that most would consider 'ugly' by conventional standards but I fancied the sh!t out of them because of who they were as a person, how they interacted with me, and most importantly to me - how they made me feel.
If these women are cutting you off based on looks do you want to be in a relationship with them???!
Making the girl comfortable is key, yes, but the girl isn't going to know that you have a penis if you don't in some way show that you're sexually interested at some point.
The guy who mentions talking about previous sexual encounters - wtf!? This isn't a good idea.
This is the most prude forum I've ever seen XD. Two people who are sexually attracted to people talking about sex is not this weird, cardinal sin that you think it is. Not every girl is going to be open to talking about that, but for the ones that are, it can be a good way to set the mood. An example of how to introduce the topic would be "what's your wildest sex story." This would have to occur after the both of you have already started to divulge more personal information about each other. I've had these types of conversations many times before having sex, it's a pretty easy segue to actually having sex.
2) If you are not dating using dating websites, did you find a husband via dating website?
Your likely answer: Since you posted on this thread, you likely have dated using dating website(s). If you are married or if you have been married, I doubt you found your husband on dating website.
The guy who mentions talking about previous sexual encounters - wtf!? This isn't a good idea.
This is the most prude forum I've ever seen XD. Two people who are sexually attracted to people talking about sex is not this weird, cardinal sin that you think it is. Not every girl is going to be open to talking about that, but for the ones that are, it can be a good way to set the mood. An example of how to introduce the topic would be "what's your wildest sex story." This would have to occur after the both of you have already started to divulge more personal information about each other. I've had these types of conversations many times before having sex, it's a pretty easy segue to actually having sex.
After sex has already been brought up and discussed at length in a positive comfortable way - absolutely. But only someone with the social skills of a crab would ask "what's your wildest sex story" out of the blue on a first date
I would also warn that starting a sexual relationship by referencing the most extreme points of your respective sexual histories is maybe not a good idea. Give yourself a long runway
This is profoundly untrue, and only the biggest losers think it as it's an absolute cope against admitting all of your obvious-from-a-mile-away character and personality flaws. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and then they complain about it on a running message board.
my personality is great
This is the least believable statement I've ever read on this cesspool.
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The guy who mentions talking about previous sexual encounters - wtf!? This isn't a good idea.
This is the most prude forum I've ever seen XD. Two people who are sexually attracted to people talking about sex is not this weird, cardinal sin that you think it is. Not every girl is going to be open to talking about that, but for the ones that are, it can be a good way to set the mood. An example of how to introduce the topic would be "what's your wildest sex story." This would have to occur after the both of you have already started to divulge more personal information about each other. I've had these types of conversations many times before having sex, it's a pretty easy segue to actually having sex.
I would bet my life savings that based on your posts, you are comfortable asking these questions and bringing it up at a vastly earlier time than the girl is.
It has nothing to do with being a prude or not, but it has everything to do with being a creep who can't read signals. For a woman, this is a massive red flag that you're going to be crappy in bed at best, and assaulting and completely dismissive of needs at worst.
There is a slight exception here for Tinder, which everyone knows is for hooking up. But then you'd be complaining that you're not able to turn a Tinder hookup where any woman on that site could find someone attractive to hook up with within like, five minutes into a long-term relationship. And that would be stupid, and we'd refer to you posts five pages ago that would tell you that you're fishing in the wrong lake.
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