If it is open to the public and it is a public event, how can someone be banned from attending? Would they call the cops and charge him with trespassing if he attended a public event in America?
Your firing argument doesn’t apply. It’s a lifetime ban on obtaining employment consistent with his skills.
My friend's a doctor and a resident is about to be booted for having a bad attitude and never getting along with anyone. This guy will never be a doctor, ever, unless he moves somewhere else. Alberto knew the rules and broke them, it's kind of the same. Just like getting disbarred.
He must have done a lot more than that.
But your point is right that a professional society can set its own rules.
If it is open to the public and it is a public event, how can someone be banned from attending? Would they call the cops and charge him with trespassing if he attended a public event in America?
No, but coaches and athletes could be banned for associating with him in the context of a sports event.
I always assumed Salazar was a guy willing to go into the gray zone of doping. But after reading K Goucher's book, man.. that guy has problems and sexual assault isn't something to be glossed over.
EVEN if you remove the hints at doping and the sexual assault I STILL would not want a child of mine to run for Salazar or a coach with his insane level of control.
My friend's a doctor and a resident is about to be booted for having a bad attitude and never getting along with anyone. This guy will never be a doctor, ever, unless he moves somewhere else. Alberto knew the rules and broke them, it's kind of the same. Just like getting disbarred.
He must have done a lot more than that.
But your point is right that a professional society can set its own rules.
Nope. He's gotten along with no one. Can't have a discussion/disagreement with a doctor, it turns into an argument. Eventually he'll get someone hurt/killed because he's so stubborn and hard to work with.
Salazar is a an a$$. He certainly presented himself as Slaney's coach when she made her comeback in 1996. When news of Slaney's failed drug test broke a year later, he helped her find the lawyers that represented her in her lawsuit. Fast forward to his time coaching Farah, when asked about his connection to Slaney, he tries to distance himself from her saying he never really coached her and asks Slaney to publicly confirm that for him. Why did it matter if he coached her or not, unless he really thought (knew) all along that she had taken PED's, which is certainly not the position he took back in 1997.
Amazing that Kara waited all those years to accuse. Follow that up with the fact she didn't press charges or sue. Why? She would be open to discovery. Her emails, texts etc just might show she is motivated for the attention and it might lead to a book. And money. Amazing that Wetmore had way more accusers yet she defends him. Only Kara bashed Al Sal but provided no evidence. Not buying it.
If I recall, USATF would abide by SafeSport rules as they use them to verify coaches. I get newsletters about Safesport violations and coaches booted from USATF
Alberto would not be allowed at an event to coach for USATF athlete or High School and probably NCAA. He can coach on the sly, but he cannot attend those events like Olympics etc. under the guise of coach(ie: use facilities, training on facility or getting to field level.)
Amazing that Kara waited all those years to accuse. Follow that up with the fact she didn't press charges or sue. Why? She would be open to discovery. Her emails, texts etc just might show she is motivated for the attention and it might lead to a book. And money. Amazing that Wetmore had way more accusers yet she defends him. Only Kara bashed Al Sal but provided no evidence. Not buying it.
This is 100% correct. Discovery would destroy Kara's story.
Kara just did this for money. One of her Buff teammates from college told me to never trust Kara. She told me Adam was engaged to Kara's friend and Kara broke them up and ended up with Adam. She told me this story in 2005-2006 so it's been a while, but she made it clear Kara was not a good person. This person who told me this story was also a professional runner.
I think Salazar should stay out of coaching and out of sports 100%.
But, someone with direct knowledge of how this works, please explain this in simple terms for someone who lacks the knowledge.
What would happen if he simply took up coaching again and in the USA?
Who's going to stop him? The police? Are they going to arrest him? If so, on what grounds?
Is "violating a safe sport ban" a crime, or enforceable? If so, how?
If he's not been convicted in a criminal court and not found libel in a civil court, what teeth does Safe Sport have?
What would happen if Shelby entered USATF sanctioned races?
I'm glad I was looking through this thread. I don't think about this guy all that much and don't have much of an axe to grind either way. But this is a good question. I hadn't really thought about it. It doesn't seem like their is any actual law that punishes him for doing anything in the sport.
Sporting organizations often have rules. Not just federations with IOC membership such as WA, but NFL, NBA, etc. too. But other than authority to prevent your participation in their events, they don't have any teeth that I'm aware of. Even PED bans. You know why nobody's ever actually busted by cops and then subject to the authority of criminal courts? Because these things aren't illegal in the same way cocaine is. At least not the drugs common in endurance sports. Some of the weightlifter stuff is; but even then, testosterone and HGH aren't.
So no cop or court is going to do anything. An actual federal, state, or local statute would have to exist for that to happen. I suppose the concern is that an athlete could be banned if seen with the banned coach. Which brings up:
As to the Shelby question, what would happen then? Well, there are teeth to athlete bans. Not in the cops, courts and jails sense: you'll notice Shelby was never fined, much less handcuffed. But you'll suddenly be forbidden from any event which requires good standing with your national federation and WA to enter. It's just like the old amateur rules. Nobody went to jail for ignoring them. But your Olympic elegibility was lost. That is a very big deal to some - for example the type that have a chance of making it there. And now there's the World Champs and a bunch of other events WA runs (and, accordingly, their rules apply) that didn't exist in the amateur days. So now it's a bigger inconvenience than the Games alone.
So what would happen if she, or whoever Al is caught coaching attempted to enter such a race? She would never be entered if it was a small enough field that everybody's USATF (or whatever country's federation) membership was actually checked. For example, USATF champs/Oly Trials. In the case of something like Chicago Marathon, you wouldn't be able to get into the so-called elite field. But if you just paid and entered, you'd slip through the cracks, run, then be removed from the results once someone noticed and figured it out. You couldn't get prize money; that would be scrutinized. But to run it as an amateur could be done simply because of the sheer number of entrants who don't ever provide a memebership # (and who don't need one) and the ensuing oversight. It just wouldn't officially count once all of you on the Meassage Board noticed the name in the results and the Brojos told the directors. That's all that would happen.
Mods removed my post that mentioned that Athletics West has had multiple reputable people come forward about doping in the program. Go find the Canadian Ben Johnson documentary, that's a fun watch with one of the AW admins spilling the beans. One of the moderators here (hmmm, I wonder who) even admitted to taking steroids while on the team.
Anyway, Salazar was on that team, he coached Decker while on that team, and NOP was the spiritual successor to that team.
The mod to whom you refer was long gone from AW before his visit to the doc.