As for 7:54, nobody on earth gives an utter crap about the two-mile. It is entirely an American thing at this point, with odd exhibitions to take take down the records that are so much weaker than the comparable metric distances. (Men's two-mile "WR" a joke compared to the 3000, and the recently broken women's one-mile also a joke compared to 1500.)
Let me put it to you gently: "The Africans" care less about times slower than someone ran the WR 25 years ago than they do about about WINNING RACES. To many, I promise that Jakob is simply not seen as a winner. He time-trials a lot of fast times but isn't anything like unbeatable in true races. Most probably remember that he was dusted by a non-African scrub in the WC 1500 last summer, though!
The only runners that "The Africans" have every been intimated by are proven champions: El G, Gebrselassie, Bekele, Mo Farah. (All African by birth, and at their peaks all head-and-shoulders above the competition in REAL RACES.) Jakob is just not on that level. Maybe if he wins in Budapest, but not yet.
Again.... this is soooooo stupid.
"No one gives utter crap about 2 mile" but yet Komen went for the historic double sub 4 mile on 2 different occasions?? And Geb tried to break it MULTIPLE times? Ooookay. Apparently THEY cared!
And as far as "Men's two-mile "WR" a joke compared to the 3000", ummm not anymore bub! Ji's 2 mile is superior to 3k now. Do you even keep up on these things?? Geesh.
And then you use El G as example of proven winner of championship races? He failed in the Olympics twice! He got beat in first 5k champs by 19 y.o. Yes he had other big victories but was not unveatable in Champs races.
C'mon, your points are not well thought out. The Africans better have a healthy fear of Jakob or they are toast! Healthy fear brings out one's best.
I'm sorry, but just because people took a few runs at this WR in the 90s/00s doesn't mean anyone cares today. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG AGO THAT IS?
As for El G, you are proving my point: Jakob is NOWHERE near accomplished enough to be feared by elite Kenyans. You see that you're proving me right, I hope.
El G was respected because he won worlds FOUR TIMES before his Olympic double gold in 2004. He had to win 1997, 1999, 2001, 2003 to get to the point that Kenyas ran with fear (which they eventually did).
The 1998 WR didn't do it!
So don't talk about people fearing Jakob because he he ran some fast time trials and has two championship wins (one WC, one Oly).
You completely missed this point of my post, which was that "The Africans" DON'T CARE.
They are not intimidated by perfectly paced times in perfect conditions. They are intimidated, though rarely, by consistent championship winners. Like the ones I named.
Jakob just isn't in that category.
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I agree that they [ the E. Africans] are mostly " not intimidated" [ they have a lot of self belief] by Jakob. But....
1] they know that his 2 mile is worth at least 7:19 3k. They fully understand how impressive that is. They know none of their all time greats past and present have touched that. They are not stupid.
2] He has destroyed their best at 1500m. They are aware and impressed.
3] They know Jakob crushed all their best at 5k in last years WC. With ease.
They know he is the favorite. They know it will take their absolute A+ game to beat him.
If they don't know that.... they have no chance.
I personally think one of them will pull it off. Simply because so many of them are running great this season, and I do think Jakob is human. If he is even slightly off, and 1 or 2 of the Africans has the race of his life [ and race is won in low 12:40's], Jakob will not grab gold. That is what I think will happen.
I can tell that you get what I'm saying, and you have a great username, so I respect you.
I don’t see a 12:40 , first of all there are guys that are on Jakob’s level or even better (12:40 and below). The 5k is very tactical and I don’t see why anyone would risk being a pacesetter for world record pace with probably 3 competitors that are practically in world record shape.
On second thought if Cheptegei gets back to 12:35 shape he might be able to break Jakob with a fast last 3k. He’s never run so fast mid-season (12:41) and has timed his peak right for the last 4 years - 2019 gold, 2020 WR, 2021 gold, 2022 gold. Although this is highly unlikely as he doesn’t think he needs to push the pace as much during championships
Aregawi has the talent but hasn’t been consistent in championships yet.
The 7:54 showed them what kind of shape Jakob is in this year. Running 3:27:14 also puts him a different category altogether when it comes to speed.
Their only chance they have is to push a murderous pace in a team effort, and hope that Jakob will show some weakness after running three 1500m races and a 5000m before the final. If they do not do this, it would be like basically saying: let's all just compete for silver instead.
This will result in something close to 12:40 pace, where Jakob sits behind and kicks in the final 200m for a crazy finishing time under 12:40.
Kingebrigtsen will win in something like 12:38-12:39
Feel free to visit this thread after the 5000m final the 27th of August.
The africans are not all on the same team. Most of them will be running for silver and bronze. That means a very high likelihood it'll be a slower race.
If Aregawi is not doubling then he is the main favourite for the 5k alongside Cheptegei in my opinion. Aregawi hasn't been consistent at the World Championships? Well, keep in mind he is only 21 years old so he is very young plus he didn't run a lot of Worlds so you don't have enough data to say that.
If Aregawi is not doubling then he is the main favourite for the 5k alongside Cheptegei in my opinion. Aregawi hasn't been consistent at the World Championships? Well, keep in mind he is only 21 years old so he is very young plus he didn't run a lot of Worlds so you don't have enough data to say that.
Aregawi is 22 years old. Less than 6 month younger than Jakob.
Don´t put too much in the hope that Jakob is running on tired legs. As pointed out by another poster Jakob has 3 days from the qualifying heat to the final in the 5000m and that is enough.
He has earlier run every day (some times twice per day) in Championships and he is very fast to recover. Besides: The 5000m heat probably isn´t more than a warm up for him. The same for the earlier 1500m heats.
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We disagree about who the favorite for gold is but I agree with other posters on this thread that nothing is certain (as we have seen in the past where both El-G, K. Bekele and Mo Farah have lost to outsiders.
And most predictions about the placements and the outfolding of the race will be wrong.
Read the threads before the 5000m final in Eugene last year and you will see how wrong people were (including myself: I had Cheptegei, Barega, Jakob and Krop as the main favorites but the first mentioned never came close to medals; only the last 2 succeeded.)
Who are the favourites for you? I see the guys who have ran 12'40"-12'41" this year as the favourites.
Jakob is my main favorite because
1. He has won every important 5000m race he has run the last years. Last loss was in the WC in Doha in 2019 where he had just turned 19.
2. He has run a 2 mile time which indicates a 12:34 in the 5000m. So his endurance is on par with the best and he has the best speed as we have seen in his last 5000m finals (and in his many 1500m wins this year and the end of last year).
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Other favorites:
Aregawi
Gebhriwet
Cheptegei
Kejelch
Katir
Krop
in that order. But they all need to be on their very best to take a medal. I don´t count Kiplimo, Haile Bekele or Barega as I don´t think they will run.
The “Objective Observer” worships Jakob so of course he is the favorite in his eyes. Jakob is the favorite. That doesn’t mean he will win of course. But NOBODY will break 12:45 in this race. It just won’t happen. Anyone who thinks it will doesn’t have a clue about how championship races are contested, with no pacemakers and little incentive to be the sacrificial lamb.
I´m not worshipping anyone (man or god) but I have been interested in Jakob for a number of years (I think from his 2016 X country win in Chia).
I have been an elite (veteran) 800m / 1500m runner myself and have been speaker at athletics events and been writing summaries for the same. I immediately spotted Jakob was unique when he at 16 destroyed much older runners in the said X country race.
I have long ago predicted he- barring illness and injury - would take all the current WRs from the 1500m to the 10,000m. He isn´t there yet but I think most now will agree that he has potential to take at least the 2000m, the 3000m and the 5000m WRs at the moment.
I am judging from FACTS:
1. From his results
2. From what I see when watching races where he participates (I am watching many other races too with both male and female competitors and have done that since the early 1960´s).
3. And from what I know about his well proven mainly aerobic training regimen.
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After the Tokyo Olympics I predicted he would be the man to beat not only in the 1500m but also in the 5000m. Many disagreed especially in the 5000m but it turned out to be right so far.
Guys please, note that "he has run 7'54" in the two miles and that means a 12'34" in the 5.000m" is simply something that doesn't make sense. If you're the best in a certain distance this doesn't make you the best in doubling that distance. So then Kiplimo, the best half marathoner ever should be the best marathoner ever. Doesn't make any sense. It is clear that the perfect distance for Inge is 3.000m but this doesn't make him the best in 5.000m.
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Guys please, note that "he has run 7'54" in the two miles and that means a 12'34" in the 5.000m" is simply something that doesn't make sense. If you're the best in a certain distance this doesn't make you the best in doubling that distance. So then Kiplimo, the best half marathoner ever should be the best marathoner ever. Doesn't make any sense. It is clear that the perfect distance for Inge is 3.000m but this doesn't make him the best in 5.000m.
Guys please, note that "he has run 7'54" in the two miles and that means a 12'34" in the 5.000m" is simply something that doesn't make sense. If you're the best in a certain distance this doesn't make you the best in doubling that distance. So then Kiplimo, the best half marathoner ever should be the best marathoner ever. Doesn't make any sense. It is clear that the perfect distance for Inge is 3.000m but this doesn't make him the best in 5.000m.
Yeah. 7:54 does not indicate 12:34.
I do however, think Kejelcha can run 12:34.
Im not certain Jakob is sub 12:40 yet.
Why only Kejelcha? Even Cheptegei (who has already proven he can run 12:35) and Aregawi have the potential to run 12'34".
Guys, if 7'54".10 in two miles means 12'34" in the 5.000m why then Jakob never tries to break the WR in 5.000m? Think about it, he only focus in distances from 1500m up to 3200m for WR because he knows he can't be that fast in the 5k.
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This reasoning is beyond stupid. The difference between a half marathon and a marathon is 13 miles. The difference between a 2 mile and 5000m is 1 mile and a little more. If you don’t think Jakob can hold 2:31 - 2:32 per km for 5000m you are delusional.
This reasoning is beyond stupid. The difference between a half marathon and a marathon is 13 miles. The difference between a 2 mile and 5000m is 1 mile and a little more. If you don’t think Jakob can hold 2:31 - 2:32 per km for 5000m you are delusional.
Whaaaat? A reasoning beyond stupid? The difference between 2 miles and 5.000m is 1 km and 800 metres. It's literally a different race. So, based on your reasoning the difference between 400m and 800m is only 400m so if you're the best in one of those distances you have to be the best in the other too. You'd probabily better go to study before submitting those kind of comments.
This reasoning is beyond stupid. The difference between a half marathon and a marathon is 13 miles. The difference between a 2 mile and 5000m is 1 mile and a little more. If you don’t think Jakob can hold 2:31 - 2:32 per km for 5000m you are delusional.
Whaaaat? A reasoning beyond stupid? The difference between 2 miles and 5.000m is 1 km and 800 metres. It's literally a different race. So, based on your reasoning the difference between 400m and 800m is only 400m so if you're the best in one of those distances you have to be the best in the other too. You'd probabily better go to study before submitting those kind of comments.
I should go study???? Why don’t you go study energy contributions my friend. Of course a 400m runner is not automatically an amazing 800m runner because the anaerobic component drastically changes and the aerobic component increases exponentially for an 800m runner. You cannot compare this to a 2 mile and 5000 where the anaerobic components are quite literally the same (6-12%) and so are the aerobic systems (89-96). For your point about kiplimos ability at a marathon…it is probably very good given the fact he’s NEVER RUN ONE 😂. How would you know he’s close to WR pace for it??? And if you think I’m pulling these numbers out of my ass read the numbers on any chart comparing energy contributions in track events 👍🏻
Jakob ran 12:48 when he was 20 years old. He is now two full years older, and he has made tremendous progress since then, evidenced by his 7:54 mile.
You are acting as if Jakob only a 1500m runner, managing to do well in higher distances, but this wrong. Jakob is an endurance-based athlete going down to the 1500m.
He won his first Euro xc gold in the U20 division a couple of months after his 16th birthday.
He is the double Euro xc champion from 2021 and 2022. These are a great indication of his endurance capabilities, because he does no xc training but is vastly superior on the 9,5km course (which surely equates to above 10000m on a track) against the best athletes in europe, many of whom train specifically for it
To say that Jakob is not capable of sub 12:40 is beyond delusional, or to say that 5K isnt his best event. He crushed the world elite at the age of 20, in a fast 12:48 race.
The world championships in Tokyo in 2025 is in September. That's the only major championships for him that year, and he will be 24 years old that season. He will have plenty of time that season to go after all the records he wants, all the way from 1500-10000, while being 24 and in his prime.
If he does not get injured, he we almost certainly have tried to go for the 5000m WR, and if he wants to, it's not unlikely that he will be the first man to run sub 12:30.
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Jakob ran 12:48 when he was 20 years old. He is now two full years older, and he has made tremendous progress since then, evidenced by his 7:54 mile.
You are acting as if Jakob only a 1500m runner, managing to do well in higher distances, but this wrong. Jakob is an endurance-based athlete going down to the 1500m.
He won his first Euro xc gold in the U20 division a couple of months after his 16th birthday.
He is the double Euro xc champion from 2021 and 2022. These are a great indication of his endurance capabilities, because he does no xc training but is vastly superior on the 9,5km course (which surely equates to above 10000m on a track) against the best athletes in europe, many of whom train specifically for it
To say that Jakob is not capable of sub 12:40 is beyond delusional, or to say that 5K isnt his best event. He crushed the world elite at the age of 20, in a fast 12:48 race.
The world championships in Tokyo in 2025 is in September. That's the only major championships for him that year, and he will be 24 years old that season. He will have plenty of time that season to go after all the records he wants, all the way from 1500-10000, while being 24 and in his prime.
If he does not get injured, he we almost certainly have tried to go for the 5000m WR, and if he wants to, it's not unlikely that he will be the first man to run sub 12:30.
Ahahah 1500-10.000. Why not also 21km and marathon? It was so funny to read this! He will never even break the 1500 and mile WR, mark these words. Jakob Ing is of course a very good runner and even a world class one, no doub, but he is not among the greatest ever. He is the best 1500m runner in the world at the moment but he will never be in the league of El Guerrouj, Bekelè and Lagat. Even Cheptegei till now has shown to be a better middle distance runner and we will see how extremely young and interesting athletes like Reynold Cheruyiot and Cameron Myers will evolve.
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Jakob ran 12:48 when he was 20 years old. He is now two full years older, and he has made tremendous progress since then, evidenced by his 7:54 mile.
You are acting as if Jakob only a 1500m runner, managing to do well in higher distances, but this wrong. Jakob is an endurance-based athlete going down to the 1500m.
He won his first Euro xc gold in the U20 division a couple of months after his 16th birthday.
He is the double Euro xc champion from 2021 and 2022. These are a great indication of his endurance capabilities, because he does no xc training but is vastly superior on the 9,5km course (which surely equates to above 10000m on a track) against the best athletes in europe, many of whom train specifically for it
To say that Jakob is not capable of sub 12:40 is beyond delusional, or to say that 5K isnt his best event. He crushed the world elite at the age of 20, in a fast 12:48 race.
The world championships in Tokyo in 2025 is in September. That's the only major championships for him that year, and he will be 24 years old that season. He will have plenty of time that season to go after all the records he wants, all the way from 1500-10000, while being 24 and in his prime.
If he does not get injured, he we almost certainly have tried to go for the 5000m WR, and if he wants to, it's not unlikely that he will be the first man to run sub 12:30.
I mean I think Jakob can go under 12:40, but someone who might put him at 12:40-44 is not “beyond delusional.” That’s extreme. The 12:48, his best comp was Hagos who was coming off missing the Ethiopian team (10K) only 3-4 days before. Cheptegei obviously had a lousy race. This Worlds field * should * be stronger, but last year should’ve too but there were injuries (Katir, Kejelcha, Cheptegei) withdrawals (Aregawi, Kiplimo - happening again) and surprise misses (Haile Bekele). This year hopefully we get the loaded race.
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