Both he and Tuohy ran one race, tried to gap the field, but got passed by several people. What’s the difference?
There’s a big difference between not attempting the double and shutting down the season and unless there is something wrong with her physically, she will run at a the U. S. championships. Otherwise, why even compete in a sport?
The point I was trying to make is that something has changed from the fitness level Tuohy was at during the indoor season. Her opening split should have been fine for someone who ran a 4:24 mile earlier this year along with the strength shown by the 3k and 5k times she ran. Not the same runner that she was earlier in the year - something’s different now.
It’s very possible it was nothing more than just a bad race. It happens.
Nico Young’s experience at NCAAs was almost identical to Tuohy’s and he’ll still compete. Assuming she’s not injured, she’s not much of a competitor if she’ll shut down a season because of one bad race.
I must have somehow missed seeing Nico try to wire the field in the 1500 before his 5000 race. I'll go back and rewatch that race.
You post on this site a lot and some of your takes are shall we say, odd. I have no idea why Tuohy would have scratched the 5000, do you? She may not be the greatest runner in history like all of her fans claim but saying she'e not much of a competitor is just not a good take.
The gal who did play by play with Dwight specifically said she spoke with her coach and said some BS about "not checking boxes" or "setting records". Whatever that means. She was also the same person acting like the 15 was over at 800m. Total KT apologist. I guess its depressing that an athlete "doesnt see the point in competing" Thats a close cousin to not competting unless you are sure you can win. Bad bad look. Championship meet. It was not injury. Just a weasel move. Ill blame the coach, hard to imagine Tuohy chickening out.
BTW did anyone win the pool with Harvard 1st, KT in 7th and Olivia Howell 8th? KT took a few down with her.
It’s very possible it was nothing more than just a bad race. It happens.
Agreed and I bet you that a lot of the scratch was mental/psychological. There's been a lot of pressure on her. Look at her face and body language in the semi's, the interview and the last 100 of the 1500 final. There is a lot going on there emotionally. The final she doesn't even congratulate the winner or anyone else. Just slumps down and wanders off. There is something deeply wrong going on inside of her. Hope she figures it out. One of the biggest lessons in running is how to lose. And to lose bravely/gracefully. She was a phenom from a young age and not used to people being able to keep up with her and beat her who are her peers. She's used to being able to run away and far ahead of the competition. Well, her peers have now caught up with her. She better learn from this now or the sport will eat her alive.
The Ethiopian Born Athlete Ramsden Wins, The Ethiopians are becoming the best Women's 1500 Runners lately
Incorrect, as usual.
INFO Kiwi Maia Ramsden was born in New York, has won age-group titles in New Zealand & Fiji, lived in the Solomon Islands & Ethiopia, and now is being educated at Harvard.
The Ethiopian Born Athlete Ramsden Wins, The Ethiopians are becoming the best Women's 1500 Runners lately
Incorrect, as usual.
INFO Kiwi Maia Ramsden was born in New York, has won age-group titles in New Zealand & Fiji, lived in the Solomon Islands & Ethiopia, and now is being educated at Harvard.
As I posted in the other thread and from linked article, her father is a NZ diplomat (Mother is American). She apparently only lived in Ethiopia for two years when her dad was the NZ ambassador there. Interesting connection though.
INFO Kiwi Maia Ramsden was born in New York, has won age-group titles in New Zealand & Fiji, lived in the Solomon Islands & Ethiopia, and now is being educated at Harvard.
As I posted in the other thread and from linked article, her father is a NZ diplomat (Mother is American). She apparently only lived in Ethiopia for two years when her dad was the NZ ambassador there. Interesting connection though.
Agree, an interesting and unique upbringing. Just had to correct Douglas Burke, who is constantly spreading misinformation on this forum.
It's quite possible she can't run in heat. From upstate NY and training NC. And her body is a tad heftier too. I think TX weather did her in.
Yea. Once she went to the lead early and the commentators said it was 92 deg I figured she wasn't going to win.
A better tactical move, since she does not have the kick, is a long push from 800m out. She slowed down enough during lap 3 that the kickers ate her lunch.
Yes, agree. Although, if she was in indoor fitness she could have won tonight. Did they just totally misjudge it? Don't they do time trials? Wake Forest was also an indicator, very similar results and pace but this was worse. I wonder how they approach US champs now?
Henes has the 'strength is speed' philosophy but whatever they are doing right now doesn't seem to be working. Hopefully she can take a break.
Hopefully she does not run US champs. Something’s not right. Overtraining syndrome? Iron deficient? Needs some time off to recover.Something is off with the entire team though.
I'm of a different opinion than you guys on this one. I think she was fit and confident on starting line. Just went out way, way too fast. It's like first 100- 14 sec, 200- 30 sec, 400 -64 sec.
A 2:12 at 800 and 3:03 at 1100 aren't a problem, it's just how front fast she arrived at those splits. You can see this by the giant (and useless) lead on lap 2.
I doubt that fast start was the race plan; happened by accident as she wanted a clean trip to avoid bump ride of semi.
If there really is an 'issue', she should skip usatf, but I think you will see her healthy in July in Eugene in the 5000.
Hopefully she does not run US champs. Something’s not right. Overtraining syndrome? Iron deficient? Needs some time off to recover.Something is off with the entire team though.
I'm of a different opinion than you guys on this one. I think she was fit and confident on starting line. Just went out way, way too fast. It's like first 100- 14 sec, 200- 30 sec, 400 -64 sec.
A 2:12 at 800 and 3:03 at 1100 aren't a problem, it's just how front fast she arrived at those splits. You can see this by the giant (and useless) lead on lap 2.
I doubt that fast start was the race plan; happened by accident as she wanted a clean trip to avoid bump ride of semi.
If there really is an 'issue', she should skip usatf, but I think you will see her healthy in July in Eugene in the 5000.
What race has she run this season though that tells you she is in 4:24 mile shape still? I can't point to any. The prelim was concerning too. These other women beating her are not (all) 4:24 milers.
Going out on a limb, I don't think O'Sullivan has two fast 1,500's in her so I don't think she will be a factor.
You deserve immense credit for posting that. I was thinking the same thing for 2 days but backed off because I didn't know enough about her.
When I watched the semifinal O'Sullivan looked like a toss for the final based on body build and overachieving during a prelim. Big picture she just didn't pass the eyeball test of NCAA champion or someone who could run fast back to back. I checked her results from last year. O'Sullivan was more than 10 seconds slower at Pac 12 finals than during the prelim, and during regionals she was more than 20 seconds slower from prelim to final.
Bottom line she never runs anywhere near the same time from prelim to final, whether up or down. This year it was 4 seconds faster than prelim during Pac 12s, 9 seconds faster than prelim at regionals, and now 13 seconds slower than prelim at nationals.
I didn't get to see the W 1500 because the network geniuses thought it was more important to show the final innings of college baseball over the beginning of track and field. ID10T error.
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