You have it the wrong way around Heemeyer (despite how good he is) is the underdog here. People on the Cali threads are saying Noonan will most likely be the top guy in Cali.
If he were to beat Noonan he is a lot better this year than last year and would most likely need to rebreak the course record 14:50 at eagle park
All that stuff about lighthouses and the Rocky runners can’t figure out how to treat their competitors with respect. That is, the top end JV guy that’s a senior that acts like he’s earned something.
I’m sure that Landon doesn’t treat people like this, but his teammates sure do. Imagine saying that a race between Landon and a guy that’s 10 seconds faster over 3200 won’t be even very close.
Landon is more of an xc guy than track so it makes sense why they think if he is in better fitness that it won’t be close. However Noonan is probably the only Cali runner I would be worried about. If it were any other Cali runner with a sub or low 8:50 I am sure Landon can beat them.
Long story short, if Heemeyer is in similar fitness to last year, he can probably beat Noonan, and if he's in better fitness, than it might not even be very close.
You have it the wrong way around Heemeyer (despite how good he is) is the underdog here. People on the Cali threads are saying Noonan will most likely be the top guy in Cali.
If he were to beat Noonan he is a lot better this year than last year and would most likely need to rebreak the course record 14:50 at eagle park
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Not sure what “top end JV guy” you were referring to, but Rocky’s culture is all about promoting the fact that how fast someone runs doesn’t have anything to do with their value as a member of the program. So all members would of course support Landon, but would also have the utmost respect for other teams and runners with the understanding that how fast someone runs has nothing to do with the important stuff in life.
Imagine saying that a race between Landon and a guy that’s 10 seconds faster over 3200 won’t be even very close.
Lets think about this from every angle here.
First of all, I said depending on Landon's fitness, it MIGHT not even be close. The spread on the Eagle Island course isn't known to be tight, most of the time there 1 or 2 athletes at or around 15:00 and then a pretty big gap to the rest of the field.
Landon ran 14:58 at Firman last year, and if he's more fit than that this year, it would take a very very special runner to beat him. There's been less than half a dozen athletes go sub 15 on this course. All of whom were national caliber guys no doubt.
That being said, Noonan would probably be the guy to watch out for. I personally am not particularly concerned at this point for a few reasons.
1. Noonan ran his 3200m time in California. While a sub 9 is still a sub 9, I think that it's been shown that California athletes typically slightly overperform on the track vs XC. Northwest athletes, (and certainly Heemeyer himself) tend to overperform in XC vs track.
2. Noonan's XC performances aren't as impressive as Heemeyer's on paper. Noonan got 46th at NXN. Very impressive to be sure, but Heemeyer's 8th at Champs is at a MINIMUM, equal to 20th or so at NXN.
3. There's a reason why Heemeyer has been ranked as high as he has on all the preseason rankings. From what we know right now, if there's anyone who's looking to beat Danny Simmons who's competing at Bob Firman, it's Heemeyer.
Nothing I've said is to say that Noonan won't beat Heemeyer, maybe he will. But the question was posed if we thought that Noonan would, and from what I know, I say that probably won't be the case.
Bob firman is looking very competitive this year. 2 of the top 5 california teams are showing up Dana Hills and Trabuco Hills. It is possible one of these teams can become an auto qualifer in the California region so we would need to beat them to increase our chances of northwest getting a at-large bid.
Last year, Rocky Mountain beat Great Oak in this race (when Great Oak wasn’t missing any of their varsity runners) and Great Oak auto-qualified for NXN and Rocky didn’t get an at-large bid.
I think Granada was selected over Rocky Mountain because Granada beat Great Oak twice and Rocky only beat them once
I think he’s saying that out of anyone that is competing at Firman that is looking to beat Danny Simmons at any point this season, it’s Heemeyer. Which is to say, nobody at Firman is looking to beat Simmons unless he has an absolutely terrible day bc Heemeyer isn’t going to beat him.
What programs have new coaches? I know that Centennial, BK, and Eagle have new coaches... Any others?
Anyone have any idea about those coaches? Are they new to the program, long time assistants, etc? What kind of training they run? Is there continuity between the previous program and the new one?
I think more talk about other schools than what is currently happening is probably warranted.
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Doesn't sound like they are going to rank CDA, then. If they are, then the write-up is poorly worded.
"That's currently where Rocky Mountain finds itself now, currently entrenched in Idaho's No. 1 spot until another program can take it down."
On the coaching changes, Kelly Hall is the new coach according to athletic.net and Centennial's cross country page. It looks like the assistant is Malcolm Carruthers, who is a Idaho Dash coach. I can't really find anything about Kelly Hall, but her name is common enough that it's going to be hard. Anyone know anything about Carruthers?
Didn't the Harms have a good amount of success at Eagle? They won 2 girls titles and a boys, and had a lot of 2-4 finishes. I would think that they have way more trophies than times they haven't qualified for state since 2010. They were the last team to win the girls before Boise went on their current 5 peat run.
I see that Amanda Kitts is still listed as the HC at Kuna on athletic.net.
Alex Crystal is the HC at Middleton. Not sure if he was there in the past, but he's a younger guy and ran at NNU.
My cousin ran for the Harms and graduated in like 2004 or something. I see 5 boys trophies, 16 girls trophies, and 14 non qualifying years (boys are like 10 of those) dating back to 2001.
That is a lot of success but also a lot of not qualifying for a school in an affluent area. Also a huge difference in the boys and girls teams. Not sure why that would be the case.
Doesn't sound like they are going to rank CDA, then. If they are, then the write-up is poorly worded.
"That's currently where Rocky Mountain finds itself now, currently entrenched in Idaho's No. 1 spot until another program can take it down."
Even as someone who thinks that Rocky is a top 20 team in the nation, not ranking CDA is borderline crazy.
Then again, last year, Milesplit had IF in the top 10 or something for half the season, and Rocly wasn't even ranked until close to state if I recall correctly.
Whatever metric MS uses to rank, it's one that is slow to update over time.
Even as someone who thinks that Rocky is a top 20 team in the nation, not ranking CDA is borderline crazy.
Then again, last year, Milesplit had IF in the top 10 or something for half the season, and Rocly wasn't even ranked until close to state if I recall correctly.
Whatever metric MS uses to rank, it's one that is slow to update over time.
I mean, noting that Rocky lost 3 of it's top 5 and saying they have to figure out their roster and not ranking CDA is insane. Not borderline, just straight up insane. Not even considering Wyatt Carr, CDA has a 10:00 freshman as number 5. That's better than Rocky's 4 and 5 on paper. I'm going to choose to believe that this is just terrible writing and CDA will in fact be ranked.
I could understand the IF thing if MS thought that Athay was just opening up super late due to post season racing. I don't think it was confirmed until late in the year that he wasn't racing. They would have beat BK by about 15 points if they had Athay and had a ~15:25-15:29 average at the state course.
Even as someone who thinks that Rocky is a top 20 team in the nation, not ranking CDA is borderline crazy.
Then again, last year, Milesplit had IF in the top 10 or something for half the season, and Rocly wasn't even ranked until close to state if I recall correctly.
Whatever metric MS uses to rank, it's one that is slow to update over time.
I mean, noting that Rocky lost 3 of it's top 5 and saying they have to figure out their roster and not ranking CDA is insane. Not borderline, just straight up insane. Not even considering Wyatt Carr, CDA has a 10:00 freshman as number 5. That's better than Rocky's 4 and 5 on paper. I'm going to choose to believe that this is just terrible writing and CDA will in fact be ranked.
I could understand the IF thing if MS thought that Athay was just opening up super late due to post season racing. I don't think it was confirmed until late in the year that he wasn't racing. They would have beat BK by about 15 points if they had Athay and had a ~15:25-15:29 average at the state course.
Actually, the writer is just straight up lazy. They looked at the average times of only the top couple of teams. They state that Boise was the next closest with a 15:43 in that race. CDA had a 15:35 average.
