Apparently Parker has the Steve Prefontaine poster in her dorm room with the quote, “The best pace is a suicide pace and today looks like a good day to die.”
Expect Great Things!!!
Too bad it is a made up quote and Prefontaine never said it.
Assuming Tuohy has improved since her 406, 63s close, she could close a 412 in 61, maybe even 60!
If she's in sub 404 shape she's gotta be able to run a 57 400.
Anyway I'm not guaranteeing she wins or anything but just saying that The idea that she's potentially not the fastest last 400 in a fairly fast 410 or 411 paced race Is just people's guess work...
You don't seem to understand the meaning of words very well. Saying there is the potential of something is not guesswork because there is always the potential.
Flat out stating that many of the women in the 1500 have faster 400 and 800 times than Tuohy is a fact. Thohy is in trouble if she doesn't push the pace to 4:06.
No. Saying she is potentially not the fastest closer isn't guesswork because it is only a potential.
Exactly. Only guesswork. Proving my point mate. Good work
We have seen others close faster off a decent pace. For example Plourde at Drake Relays and pac 12. Appleton at ACCs. Until Tuohy throws down a 61 or 62 split, it's pretty safe to assume some in the field have a faster close... which is why she probably won't leave it to the bell to drop the pace.
Assuming Tuohy has improved since her 406, 63s close, she could close a 412 in 61, maybe even 60!
If she's in sub 404 shape she's gotta be able to run a 57 400.
Anyway I'm not guaranteeing she wins or anything but just saying that The idea that she's potentially not the fastest last 400 in a fairly fast 410 or 411 paced race Is just people's guess work...
I have to say your logic is remarkable (un)compelling to me
Well with your history of inane speculation, The dozens of girls who were going to be better than her in college... I wouldn't imagine you guys would flock to the light...I mean come on I bet 90% of the board thinks there's a man in the sky or some nebulous powers that we can pray to...
Bottom line is people were saying Appleton was better than her and she just easily beat Appleton
How many 1500 runners in the women's field have even run a 400... legit 400 race...
I would venture maybe one or two that are left in the field.... If that...
Simple physics.. that if you're the fastest over 1500 m by possibly as much as 4 seconds that you're going to close a slightly slower pace, but still fast enough, faster than anyone else
Now as I've said many times before we don't have all the info so a lot of this is just guesswork
And sorry Bob saying potential is the same as guesswork because at the end of the day everything is just potential...
The race is just going to be like Jacobs recent 1500 win over neguse...
She's going to take the lead and run away with it and some will be going on and on how someone would have out kicked her or someone had a better kick but they should have just went a little sooner...
Anyway show me some evidence, actual data that shows anyone can close a 410 1500 m pace through 1100 m faster than her for the last 400 meters...
Cole hocker was killing people with his kick... Which we all probably remember... But there's no one in the women's field who has consistently shown anything close to that type of ability...
Michaela Meyer's had a nice kick there for a few seasons, but show me anyone like that right now
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Tuohy is fine as long as she remembers the lessons from the two indoor finals defeats in 2022. Both times she was content to linger well back in the pack, facing lots of mental stress and annoyances due to all the traffic issues that arise via the strategy. She moved up during the late going but couldn't pull off the kick finish.
The anti Tuohy crowd may have enjoyed those results but might not have sensed that once Tuohy adapted her strategy the margin for error would soar. She's not going to sit there boxed on the rail in 5th to 10th position. It's going to be mostly trouble free with few decisions to make, from at or near the front.
Tuohy is fine as long as she remembers the lessons from the two indoor finals defeats in 2022. Both times she was content to linger well back in the pack, facing lots of mental stress and annoyances due to all the traffic issues that arise via the strategy. She moved up during the late going but couldn't pull off the kick finish.
The anti Tuohy crowd may have enjoyed those results but might not have sensed that once Tuohy adapted her strategy the margin for error would soar. She's not going to sit there boxed on the rail in 5th to 10th position. It's going to be mostly trouble free with few decisions to make, from at or near the front.
Best in class win from that position.
Important to remember is that Touhy on the track for 2022 was still an unknown. The media previews dumped her just in front of the also-rans "and hs star kt is entered in both events, but probably not yet ready to contend for the podium at NCAA level, other competitors are...
The 2nd to Wayment in 5k announced that she was a contender already ahead of schedule and the 2nd to Roe showed quite surprisingly that she already had more 'strength' than the entire NCAA field and was going to be special in college too. She was executing a conservative 'Chmiel like' race plan and although Touhy always "believes she can win", I'm sure both Henes and kt we're thrilled with 2 seconds and 16 national team points.
In hindsight, I'm sure kt now believes if she was more confident in her fitness, she probably could have won both races, or at least pushed the result all the way to the finish line.
Roe's strOng move in the 3k is also a perfect example of the vagaries of the close in the upcoming 1500. Roe won for 2 reasons, 1 - her move and close, and 2 - she simply was lucky that the other leaders didn't respond to her move, which first blocked Touhy and Gregory from seeing her move and second boxed in Touhy and Gregory from getting going to chase her down. It's a text book case how the 3rd fittest athlete can win a race with a good plan and some good fortune.
Just watch the prelims. She looked pretty good, was able to outkick everyone. But I do agree she looks slow off the start. Not sure if she was just saving energy or if that is a weakness. How are the lane assignments determined? And is there a rule about cutting to the rail early or anything?
Tuohy is fine as long as she remembers the lessons from the two indoor finals defeats in 2022. Both times she was content to linger well back in the pack, facing lots of mental stress and annoyances due to all the traffic issues that arise via the strategy. She moved up during the late going but couldn't pull off the kick finish.
The anti Tuohy crowd may have enjoyed those results but might not have sensed that once Tuohy adapted her strategy the margin for error would soar. She's not going to sit there boxed on the rail in 5th to 10th position. It's going to be mostly trouble free with few decisions to make, from at or near the front.
Best in class win from that position.
Ahhhh... All that getting boxed in was really exaggerated... If you watch those races she caught up with both of the leaders in the 3K and the 5K on the back stretch of the last lap but wasn't strong enough to pass... Wayment ran a perfect race and really benefited from drafting on the inside the whole race... Roe wasn't doubling and took advantage of it with a nice early move and held them off... Sure if things played out slightly different she might have been able to win one of those races but getting 16 points and being a top scorer for distance running was pretty good at the time...
Anyway I'm still waiting for someone to show some evidence that she's up against any great kickers... I think she can easily hold off any these runners for the last 400 if she has the rail position...
Just watch the prelims. She looked pretty good, was able to outkick everyone. But I do agree she looks slow off the start. Not sure if she was just saving energy or if that is a weakness. How are the lane assignments determined? And is there a rule about cutting to the rail early or anything?
lanes are by lot for the 1500 and longer races
Per the Rules: Regulations for Assigning Lanes ARTICLE 3. The following procedures shall be used in drawing/assigning lanes: a. In the first of multiple rounds of competition, lanes, alleys or starting positions shall be drawn by lot in all races. For an event in which no preliminary round is contested, or when the preliminary round consists of a single race, the games committee may assign preferred lanes, starting positions or alleys by entry performance. For an in-lane Combined Event race, lanes shall be drawn by lot. b. For competition other than the first round, lane/starting position and alley assignments shall be made as follows: 1) For races not starting in lanes, starting position or position within an alley shall be drawn by lot. 2) For races starting in lanes/alleys, assign to preferred lanes/alleys as follows: a) Advancement determined by place: (1)Weigh place first. (2)Weigh time second. b) Advancement determined by time: Weigh by time in descending orde
The trick for her will be to avoid getting stuck in the middle of the pack - as she did in the quarterfinal when she let herself go to the back and then worked to the front on the outside. Not a novel idea - watch the 2021 Olympics M 1500 final.