I'm old enough to remember when David Moorcroft ran a solo 13:00.41 over 40 years ago. I don't remember anyone thinking he was anything other than clean.
I doubt Moorcroft, running outside on a 400 meter track, had an advantage over those running 62 second laps on this banked 200 meter indoor track.
BTC connections are always susepct, why? Because one athlete was popped in 15 years?
That, yes, how many other American groups had a distance runner popped? And because:
1) Schumacher learned from the cheating now banned Salazar
2) Schumacher continued to support that doper after she got banned
3) Schumacher pretended to believe the beef burrito joke
4) Schumacher attacked the antidoping authorities for doing their job
5) Schumacher used the corrupt now banned Brown repeatedly
6) BTC follows in the footsteps of NOP, which followed AW
7) Jager was the most suspicious likely doper on the leaked ludicrously short IAAF list
8) .... got to go for a run now but there is more such as their secrecy and wild progressions etc.
1) Schumacher got a dream job as a pro coach at Nike with big resources, workign the legendary Alberto Salazar. Once he saw what was going on, he split off and refused to work with Salazar.
2) Salazar continues to support an athlete of his who he saw work incredibly hard and believes is innocent.
3) While Schumacher presented the Burrito excuse as a fact at the press conference, which I didn't like at all, he is still looking for reasons as to how Shelby could have tested positive. Since the head of USADA Travis Tygart has said contaminated food is a problem and since pork offal would be the #1 way to get this positive, they have gone with that as you must admit the fact that the last place she ate at beforethe test had pork offal on the menu is pretty wild as that's like a 1/100 scenario.
4) See #2. If you believed someone you were close to was wrongly convicted of a crime, wouldn't you do everything you could to try to help the. It seems to me that he's now realized that despite his please of innocence, she has been convicted and there is nothing else he can do.
5) Schumacher was very sketched out by Dr. Brown and told his team members not to use then.
6) True. But unlike Salazar who was thrilled to think he discovered some wonder drug, Salazar was horrified by wonder drugs and Dr. Brown.
7) Jager's name appeared on some "likely doping" list that was never explained. Given how aggressive WADA is, if they had enough to charge him, why wasn't he charged.
8 college guys go under 4 in one race. How low does it go? 3 high school guys under 4, 6 times last year. At that level too?
This is a graet example of why people are clean. Do we really think all the collegians are doping now? Times just are faster than what they used to be. Get over it.
As our web programmer said to me, "Does this mean Woody Kincaid is better than Bob Kennedy?" No it doesn't. I think he's a) better coached and b) has better setups, shoes, tracks.
No one’s clean in running or endurance sports that are at or near the top. even amateurs are knowingly doping. you have to be an idiot to believe these people are clean. we should just accept it and move on. It makes the sport more exciting and relevant.
You may be right.
Have to be in the inside to really know.
A college buddy attended the 1992 OG as a reporter for a major newspapers and I asked him about this.
He said that the consensus was everyone was using PEDs
That was 30 years ago.
I think back in the day doping was more common but traning wasn't advanced.
People now do high/low training. Everyone does it. Weldon was an also-ran who ran 28:06 as he trained properly. I can easily see Americans being 10 seconds a mile faster than him which puts you at 27 flat without thinking about it. Heck, there was a guy in our HS 10 seconds per mile better than him. And a super talent would be 5 seconds per mile faster than that. So that's 26:30. Add in shoe tech.
People mock the Canova idea of "You can't improve on perfection" - a Bekele or Cheptegei,e tc.
1 in 100? Did you read the CAS decision with the sequence of events that would have to happen for uncastrated boar to get into the food supply and her to ingest enough to trigger a positive test at the level her urine showed? Try 1 in 100,000
This is a graet example of why people are clean. Do we really think all the collegians are doping now? Times just are faster than what they used to be. Get over it.
As our web programmer said to me, "Does this mean Woody Kincaid is better than Bob Kennedy?" No it doesn't. I think he's a) better coached and b) has better setups, shoes, tracks.
Let’s just have a reality check on a) here. I’d say Kennedy had a pretty good coach in Kim McDonald. His athletes did far greater things than Jerry’s have before the age of superspikes and indoor time trials at BU running 7:20 for the 3K, 3:43 for the mile, and 7:56 for the Steeple.
I told y'all the Brits are dirty. Never trusted their distance runners and their teeth - Salazar, Shelby, Saruni, Hassan Mead, who next? Suspicious performances like Kincaid out of nowhere - who are you kidding Lord COEverup? We should have let the French deal with them at Agincourt instead of saving their limey behinds like we always do.
1 in 100? Did you read the CAS decision with the sequence of events that would have to happen for uncastrated boar to get into the food supply and her to ingest enough to trigger a positive test at the level her urine showed? Try 1 in 100,000
Yes indeed. Or try 1 in 1,000,000,000. Plus it was synthetic nandro (!!!), so the whole pork offal (which wasn't even real offal, just shredded stomach!) story is a lame deflection. So 0 in 1,000,...
I can't imagine for a single second that anyone would believe she got synthetic nandro from her burrito. Just plain absurd.
1) Schumacher got a dream job as a pro coach at Nike with big resources, workign the legendary Alberto Salazar. Once he saw what was going on, he split off and refused to work with Salazar.
...
7) Jager's name appeared on some "likely doping" list that was never explained. Given how aggressive WADA is, if they had enough to charge him, why wasn't he charged.
You are stating a lot things that you simply cannot know. At best, Jerry told you. More likely, you simply wish those things to be true.
As for Jager, recall that he was the worst of them all of the incredibly short list of likely blood dopers. Didn't he blame altitude? Like altitude isn't included in the ABP, lol.
"Given how aggressive WADA is" - you mean AIU? WADA never charged anyone. But indeed being on that list was "only" reason for target-testing, not for banning. And you might recall how Jager performed post 2016.
That, yes, how many other American groups had a distance runner popped? And because:
1) Schumacher learned from the cheating now banned Salazar
2) Schumacher continued to support that doper after she got banned
3) Schumacher pretended to believe the beef burrito joke
4) Schumacher attacked the antidoping authorities for doing their job
5) Schumacher used the corrupt now banned Brown repeatedly
6) BTC follows in the footsteps of NOP, which followed AW
7) Jager was the most suspicious likely doper on the leaked ludicrously short IAAF list
8) .... got to go for a run now but there is more such as their secrecy and wild progressions etc.
1) Schumacher got a dream job as a pro coach at Nike with big resources, workign the legendary Alberto Salazar. Once he saw what was going on, he split off and refused to work with Salazar.
2) Salazar continues to support an athlete of his who he saw work incredibly hard and believes is innocent.
3) While Schumacher presented the Burrito excuse as a fact at the press conference, which I didn't like at all, he is still looking for reasons as to how Shelby could have tested positive. Since the head of USADA Travis Tygart has said contaminated food is a problem and since pork offal would be the #1 way to get this positive, they have gone with that as you must admit the fact that the last place she ate at beforethe test had pork offal on the menu is pretty wild as that's like a 1/100 scenario.
4) See #2. If you believed someone you were close to was wrongly convicted of a crime, wouldn't you do everything you could to try to help the. It seems to me that he's now realized that despite his please of innocence, she has been convicted and there is nothing else he can do.
5) Schumacher was very sketched out by Dr. Brown and told his team members not to use then.
6) True. But unlike Salazar who was thrilled to think he discovered some wonder drug, Salazar was horrified by wonder drugs and Dr. Brown.
7) Jager's name appeared on some "likely doping" list that was never explained. Given how aggressive WADA is, if they had enough to charge him, why wasn't he charged.
If Jerry was so sketched out by Dr. Brown, why did all of his stars see him from 2009-2015?
why are NCAA times not being recognized by corrupt world athletics
tells you how clean that is .
Always enjoy your posts, as you're usually the only guy to bring up what the current new thing is in PEDs. Never heard of Mots-c before, but a bit of search engining -- wow, pretty fascinating. Would you consider making an original thread where you discuss what the current new protocol is for distance, sprints, cycling, etc?
And no, I'm not looking for a crib sheet. I'm 50, and haven't run in decades. But this stuff is intrinsically interesting. I was fascinated by all the BALCO inside stuff, and the TdF doping scandals.
Look at the front page. The records, times. 8 college guys go under 4 in one race. How low does it go? 3 high school guys under 4, 6 times last year. At that level too?
This was always going to eventually
happen with such high specialty
In certain events and environments.
Certain high school runners perfect example, no need to doubt.
And From very western lifestyles to training camps in east Africa would lead to quality in numbers.
Amungst other factors like , popularity, hardship, notoriety etc .
And 1500m and indoor mile to the most obvious event to happen in .
Saying to that NCAA is dodgy as can be with dope ,.
the university culture is just laden with it .
NCAA very different animal to high school, think afew athletes in certain groups untainted by what out there....
To a poster’s Jager point from before though, the crazy thing about the Fancy Bears doc was he had I think 7 flagged tests including 5 straight? I don’t think that was ever broken down by someone in the AIU but there had to be some fraction of uncertainty that precluded a charge.