1. The size argument is interesting. I haven't seen any peer-reviewed research that actually can demonstrate that the group of elite East African runners is smaller than other elite runners. It may be out there. But I think it's more likely that we're thinking of anecdotal evidence, as well as putting an outsized emphasis on heat dissipation.
2. As far as the 200m splits... Mo absolutely had great speed endurance, but think the 100m time through. He ran 12.9 in a stupid race he didn't care about in crappy conditions. Without even going into the hypothetical improvements due to a few weeks of speed sharpening, better starting practice, better conditions, etc., the 12.9 suggests he should be able to run faster over 200m than 25. 12.9 is roughly 49 flat 400m pace when you take into account acceleration time costs. Plus, if we use your argument that he could sustain so close to max pace, a full second deceleration over 200m seems excessive. If anything, all we can conclude from this is that conversions are flawed and we don't have useful data. A sharp Mo should have been able to run 49. Much faster... probably not but maybe, we'll never know. The simple fact that Marc was in a 200m race suggests that he probably was actually working on speed and sharp, so we're not exactly comparing apples to apples either.
I'm inclined to believe that Mo's 200m potential was slightly higher. We can't know. But the bigger question is, how is it a good measure of mid/long distance performance? The 1-3 tenths of a second difference doesn't tell us a thing about 1500m potential, much less 5 or 10k. It's also pretty clear that Marc doesn't have the 1500m potential Mo did, or the finishing speed and tactics to race the way he did. With a 3:28, Mo could reasonably be a medal threat in a fast race, just like he was a medal threat in the 5k/10k. It's a harder argument to make for Marc, so I really don't understand the argument that he has more track potential.
Guess Mo's maximum velocity without wind assistance? Go on, try?
You have to be trolling right?
Why does it matter? Like I, and others, have pointed out, he isn't really a medal threat and doesn't appear to have much more untapped track potential.
Also, max velocity is not a useful measure of mid/long distance potential.
Finally, stop moving the goalposts. I've given you a number every time you ask for one, you're trying to cherry pick information in order to make an absurd argument. What do you want here, a max velocity in kph? Mph? M/s? These are all guesses. How are they helpful? And how are they useful?
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Show me the numbers. Let's make it simple for you. Mo Farah's Max Velocity on a track with zero wind at his peak?
Give me a realistic number? Then discuss his speed endurance over 200 and 400?
Both of you and your posts are all about you wanting to be correct on your point that is so far removed from the original post about Marc Scott leaving BTC - that you both come across as being self centered to say the least.
Marc has left a great training group in BTC. He has explained reasons as to why. There seems to be some holes within his explanation. We may never gain a full understanding as to why he left but that is his prerogative. We can wish him well in his move to a new group and to the roads. He comes across as a good guy and is without doubt a very talented runner that is seeking new experiences in his line of work.
Did someone on page 1 actually say Scott had more speed than Farah? They should lose their posting privileges.
It is not even close, forget the huge gap in 1500M bests, Farah was an all time kicker in Championships comps. OMG, such a stupid and poorly thought out post.
Are you serious or trolling me?
Either way put up 20 data points for Mo Farah at his peak in a 200m race, 10 meter splits.
Put yer money where yer mouth is.
We are all serious. The 10-time gold medalist with the 13th fastest all-time 1500m was was hated on this board for destroying everyone in the world by sitting-and-kicking, is faster than Marc Scott, a 27:10 10km runner who is moving up to the marathon because his hopes on the track are limited. Why is that so hard to believe? SMH.
Guess Mo's maximum velocity without wind assistance? Go on, try?
You have to be trolling right?
Why does it matter? Like I, and others, have pointed out, he isn't really a medal threat and doesn't appear to have much more untapped track potential.
Also, max velocity is not a useful measure of mid/long distance potential.
Finally, stop moving the goalposts. I've given you a number every time you ask for one, you're trying to cherry pick information in order to make an absurd argument. What do you want here, a max velocity in kph? Mph? M/s? These are all guesses. How are they helpful? And how are they useful?
Why? He's never had the appropriate individual coaching. This was one of his main complaints.
Eh, clearly the system worked for him and he had good communication/coordination with Jerry. He complimented Jerry for individualizing everything with travel, races and so forth. I'm not buying a more individualized approach drops him 10 seconds in a 5,000 at age 29-30.
Why? He's never had the appropriate individual coaching. This was one of his main complaints.
Eh, clearly the system worked for him and he had good communication/coordination with Jerry. He complimented Jerry for individualizing everything with travel, races and so forth. I'm not buying a more individualized approach drops him 10 seconds in a 5,000 at age 29-30.
Clearly Jerry trains his athletes hard and well. Doping allegations aside, how many athletes have left him and seen more success on the track?
Eh, clearly the system worked for him and he had good communication/coordination with Jerry. He complimented Jerry for individualizing everything with travel, races and so forth. I'm not buying a more individualized approach drops him 10 seconds in a 5,000 at age 29-30.
Clearly Jerry trains his athletes hard and well. Doping allegations aside, how many athletes have left him and seen more success on the track?
Perhaps the better question to ask is: How many male BTC athletes have been successful moving to the roads/marathon?
Why? He's never had the appropriate individual coaching. This was one of his main complaints.
Eh, clearly the system worked for him and he had good communication/coordination with Jerry. He complimented Jerry for individualizing everything with travel, races and so forth. I'm not buying a more individualized approach drops him 10 seconds in a 5,000 at age 29-30.
Either way put up 20 data points for Mo Farah at his peak in a 200m race, 10 meter splits.
Put yer money where yer mouth is.
We are all serious. The 10-time gold medalist with the 13th fastest all-time 1500m was was hated on this board for destroying everyone in the world by sitting-and-kicking, is faster than Marc Scott, a 27:10 10km runner who is moving up to the marathon because his hopes on the track are limited. Why is that so hard to believe? SMH.
There’s nothing sudden about it. He built to strong fitness in the prime of his career. He just had an outdoor season with injury/illness where he felt short of his goals. Most track athletes do not get better at age 29. Can you handle the same training load? Do you have the same wheels? There’s a reason he’s moving to the roads - he thinks he has more potential for growth/improvement there.
There’s nothing sudden about it. He built to strong fitness in the prime of his career. He just had an outdoor season with injury/illness where he felt short of his goals. Most track athletes do not get better at age 29. Can you handle the same training load? Do you have the same wheels? There’s a reason he’s moving to the roads - he thinks he has more potential for growth/improvement there.
We are all serious. The 10-time gold medalist with the 13th fastest all-time 1500m was was hated on this board for destroying everyone in the world by sitting-and-kicking, is faster than Marc Scott, a 27:10 10km runner who is moving up to the marathon because his hopes on the track are limited. Why is that so hard to believe? SMH.
Why so cynical?
With the amount of downvotes all of your posts are getting, and the fact that nobody has actively agreed with you, do you not realise that you’re probably wrong?
There’s nothing sudden about it. He built to strong fitness in the prime of his career. He just had an outdoor season with injury/illness where he felt short of his goals. Most track athletes do not get better at age 29. Can you handle the same training load? Do you have the same wheels? There’s a reason he’s moving to the roads - he thinks he has more potential for growth/improvement there.
Umm, ever heard of David Moorcroft?
Most track athletes do not get better at age 29.
Marc seems to think he falls in that category. I'd bet he knows better than us.
You’ll notice that after a very strong 1978 at age 25, Moorcroft struggled through injuries, illnesses, bad luck etc. all the way until 1982. He also moved up in distance (though he improved his mile/1500). I don’t find this very similar to Scott who has been healthier, put together strong bouts of training and has long been a 5/10 runner.
With the amount of downvotes all of your posts are getting, and the fact that nobody has actively agreed with you, do you not realise that you’re probably wrong?
You people don't know the sport. I've been explaining the same principles here since 2003. Renato Canova used to post a lot back then, but people like you drove him away.
Whoever it was who said "Mo could run a 25 second 200m" is right. Here is a video where he wins a Diamond League race by running a 50 flat at the end of a 5km. That is a good sign that he can run a 25. LOL
Although the race itself was fairly pedestrian, (to be fair,it was being run on a points basis)Farah's blistering last lap of 50.89 seconds in windy conditio...
You’ll notice that after a very strong 1978 at age 25, Moorcroft struggled through injuries, illnesses, bad luck etc. all the way until 1982. He also moved up in distance (though he improved his mile/1500). I don’t find this very similar to Scott who has been healthier, put together strong bouts of training and has long been a 5/10 runner.
And you will notice that Moorcroft broke the world record at 29, in a solo run, taking 20 seconds off his PB.
With the amount of downvotes all of your posts are getting, and the fact that nobody has actively agreed with you, do you not realise that you’re probably wrong?
You people don't know the sport. I've been explaining the same principles here since 2003. Renato Canova used to post a lot back then, but people like you drove him away.
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