NC State and Tuohy will not win Nationals (OK State and Valby will)

Many could have gone faster, but how much earlier might they have done so? That’s how Valby runs off and hides from everyone — it happens early…at Oxford between 1.5-2K. Stillwater will not be a 6K version of ‘sit and kick.’

Yes and that's true for everyone.

Personally I hope everyone runs good races to the upmost of their abilities.

I agree and have posted that Valby will likely be the one to push the pace. How she handles that and the hills on the 2nd loop remains to be seen.

What are we talking about doping for? We know it doesn't exist amongst runners - especially the fastest.

If I even voice a concern about the BTC/Schumacher connection it gets deleted, and the reason is often cited as "racism/discriminatory language." Who knew that BTC was its own racial category?

The same people objecting to even couching the issue simultaneously insist that Valby is going to blow away the NCAA record and will be able to run and hide away from Tuohy and McCabe based on alleged freakish natural talent, beating them by 30 seconds. Sorry but if Valby gaps a healthy Tuohy like that then she is dirty as a dumpster fire and her Shumacher acolyte of a coach is the prime suspect. Hopefully we see a clean race, but the BTC connection calls it into jeopardy. They cheat, crudely and stupidly with blatant obviousness. The pure idiocy of it aways gets me. Like we won't know. We always know. Just cannot always prove it.

Anyway this message will self-destruct.

About Parker Valby,

old dad and former coach here in Fl

I saw PV when she started XC, she was a former swimmer and looked like a swimmer. She would bust out to the front in races and fall apart. As per she was not a conditioned runner. I didnt think much of her. Then each season would get better and better. Her stride has improved a lot as well.

Finally as a Sr, she BROKE the 3200m record in Florida. I know florida is not a mecca for middle distance runners, but she holds the record over some good ones. Many of her race vids likely available on milesplit.

Jenny Simpson

Sinclair Johnson

Ashley Brasovan(footlocker champ)

Bailey Herntenstein( current #1 at Univ Colorado)

As to who wins NCAA championships, I have no idea, but PV will be in the mix for sure

I completely agree Valby has proven she should be and will be in the mix. Same for Chelangat (and Tuohy). Chmiel maybe a tough behind. All have been in fast races (maybe not 18:25 for true 6K, but still fast). Unproven to me this season are Roe and McCabe - very good records but really have not been in a real fast race this season. Same thing for the other top OSU runners. We saw the AL trio get spread in the very fast SEC race. If pace is not crazy fast then of course the lead pack will include more.

Hello Sir,

That is a nice post. As a Florida high schooler, PV indeed had faster times than some previous Florida high schoolers that are big names in the sport. However, even more amazing, it was her JR year (rather than SR) when she broke the 3200m record.

Good day!

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State 3200m Record Holder Parker Valby Picks Florida

Adair Lyden

East Lake senior, Parker Valby, announced her commitment to the University of Florida on Tuesday night.

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There are plenty of state champions and record holders in college. And no offense but 10:10 is not exactly earth shattering. In the 9:50s is a strong high school time.

So why are you trying to throw shade again? Running faster than Jenny Simpson after a couple years in the sport is still amazing, Rollie.

Nearly every top female college distance runner was good in HS but not the best. Tuohy is the anomaly who was a HS phenom that transitioned to the NCAA. It seems suspicious since that progression is abnormal.

So now PV ran that high school time in super-shoes, 🤦‍♂️?

Pro coaches in the sport? Well you should know something about that with Gomez-Henes at NCState, eh Rollie?

Cranny, Cuffe, Seidel, Kelati, Dani Jones, Sisson were all pretty good in hs and enjoyed college success......I guess we should suspect them too?

That's the best you can come up with? I am talking about as rotten an association as you can have when doping and distance running. We know that A&T was targeted by the USADA do to Ross. Watch that magically disappear at Tennessee. Money talks. And UF won't be targeted at all.

If you want to use Rollie’s criteria, go right ahead. It is astro (Rollie) that wants to keep going down this line.

But they weren't the best. Think Schweizer, Houlihan, Wayment, Purrier, Monson, and Valby. Those are the typical paths for elite Americans. Tuohy is on a nontraditional path which Astro and others say is the criterion for suspicion.

Add Nico Young and Conner Mantz to the list as well. Tuohy broke a mile record her first track season running at the age of 12. She has always been good. There is a whole thread on here about Conner Mantz and his half marathon times around the same age. Was he doping at 12 also? What about all the Kenyan and Ethiopian runners posting great high school times? Is that doping or an early sign of potential? It's silly to make these kind of allegations about young runners who also show high potential from a very young age.

Astro's statements are far more applicable to Tuohy, the NC state program, the NC state coach's questionable history, her daughter's questionable history - especially when she attended NC state and was coached by her mother, and the daughter's current association with GDS, who hated and despised Houlihan, then left right AFTER Houlihan's failed drug test, which I consider to be quite questionable especially considering those circumstances.

Astro's shade tossing is completely baseless and devoid of any type of facts or evidence.

The harm he is doing to an innocent girl, her running career and her life is reprehensible.

That his type of behavior is not only tolerated but encouraged by the founders is not acceptable.